Which GPU to get next?

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Gordon.C

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Hi,

I was about to get a new GPU - AMD Radeon 7770 clocked at 5200MHz / 1100 MHz (The best performing model of this class)

Now I read reviews that it is much more profitable to buy an older Radeon 6850 for the same money. Another option I see often is nVidea GeForece 560.

What is your opinion on that?

I mean, isnt the 7000 series GPU more future proof. The 6000 series is over a year old technology so is the older GeForce. Which GPU would you get?
 
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6850 is best, it is cheaper, and a lot faster than the 77XX series, they took a bad turn and went for power efficiency with the 77XX's, and really the 7850 is about the same as a 6950 but uses less power for more money. As for the 560, it has better drivers but it costs too much last time i checked, unless it's like 150 then no to it. check out anandtech and go to their benchmark section, compare them and see.
 
Out of those three the 560 is the fastest overall. But you can get a 6870 for pretty close to the price of a 560 and the 6870 is the better card.
 
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I don't want to rain on anyone's party but...
...from my experience, every-single-radeon I've had has burned out on me. Every Geforce I've owned hasn't, but there's plenty of people that still have Geforce cards burn out on them (But I'm sure it's people who overclock)
 
I feel like your making a broad generalization based on a single or very few experiences there. AMD graphics are great cards. As long as your gaming. Anything else you pretty much need Nvidia.
 
wolfeking said:
I feel like your making a broad generalization based on a single or very few experiences there. AMD graphics are great cards. As long as your gaming. Anything else you pretty much need Nvidia.
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no, I've had 4 Radeon cards and 3 Geforce, and all the Geforces have held up, the Radeons all burnt out; one even killed my PSU and a stick of memory.
 
1. If your RAM and PSU went out, the issue was not originally with the graphics card. Lack of knowledge on your part.

2. 4 is few experiences. AMD is a fine company, and their cards hold up as long as you don't try to mess with them too much. But whatever, your going to fight it. The question has been answered and your issues here have nothing to do with them.
 
i think the psu killed it, the card can't pull more power than the psu gives it and it can't shock the psu or anything

I have a nearly 10 year old (about 8 i think) radeon 9600se, wasn't used for gaming, just to replcae the un-usable crap the comp came with, but it held up until earlier this year when i started using the comp in my sig.
 
wolfeking said:
1. If your RAM and PSU went out, the issue was not originally with the graphics card. Lack of knowledge on your part.

2. 4 is few experiences. AMD is a fine company, and their cards hold up as long as you don't try to mess with them too much. But whatever, your going to fight it. The question has been answered and your issues here have nothing to do with them.
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Im an nvidia fan myself. And although its unusual for someone to have 4 different video cards fail on them, it does sound like possibly a user problem.

Also remember, its not AMD/ATis fault. Alot of video cards are non-reference models meaning that the failure could have been a result of poor PCB construction/design or poor cooling solution.

This is why I go with EVGA for my video cards. I get a reference design (although the 4GB is not entirely reference) meaning its built the way nvidia designed it to be.
 
wolfeking said:
1. If your RAM and PSU went out, the issue was not originally with the graphics card. Lack of knowledge on your part.

2. 4 is few experiences. AMD is a fine company, and their cards hold up as long as you don't try to mess with them too much. But whatever, your going to fight it. The question has been answered and your issues here have nothing to do with them.
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Radeon x1650 pro, 430 watt thermaltake PSU. After a few months with the card, power supply started smoking, blew up, took a stick of memory with it. I was always suspicious of the card, as it looked like a refurb rather than new. My Radeon 9600xt originally had the fan fail, so I lubed it and it worked for another year, then the card began failing and shortly after it damaged my monitor, so I had to replace that as well.

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Im an nvidia fan myself. And although its unusual for someone to have 4 different video cards fail on them, it does sound like possibly a user problem.

Also remember, its not AMD/ATis fault. Alot of video cards are non-reference models meaning that the failure could have been a result of poor PCB construction/design or poor cooling solution.

This is why I go with EVGA for my video cards. I get a reference design (although the 4GB is not entirely reference) meaning its built the way nvidia designed it to be.
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Don't see how it's unusual, even all my friends have their cards burn out on them at least every 3 years. I never had a problem with a 1st party Geforce. Since AMD now tries to optimize the Radeon with their crummy, cheap processors, it only makes sense for me to pair up my Intel processor with a Geforce anyway.

G80FTW said:
:good:

Im an nvidia fan myself. And although its unusual for someone to have 4 different video cards fail on them, it does sound like possibly a user problem.

Also remember, its not AMD/ATis fault. Alot of video cards are non-reference models meaning that the failure could have been a result of poor PCB construction/design or poor cooling solution.

This is why I go with EVGA for my video cards. I get a reference design (although the 4GB is not entirely reference) meaning its built the way nvidia designed it to be.
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I only buy 1st party cards after trying a Sapphire Radeon card that was DOA. I was suspicious the 3rd party ones were cheap, and got my answer fast.
 
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That was definitely the fault of the power supply, not ATI. The graphics card can not damage the power supply. It is not possible. Even if the graphics needs more power than the supply is giving, it will not be able to pull more. Physics stops it.

And With the second one, fans fail. No bearing can last forever. When things move, they degrade. Law of the universe. Even humans degrade with movement. sounds like either a ESD discharge between the GPU and monitor if it in fact damaged the monitor. If not, your blaming the graphics for a failing monitor. Just because 2 things fail at the same time does not mean that one is the cause of the other. If the hinge on a car door breaks and your alternator goes too, the two are not connected.
 
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That was definitely the fault of the power supply, not ATI. The graphics card can not damage the power supply. It is not possible. Even if the graphics needs more power than the supply is giving, it will not be able to pull more. Physics stops it.

And With the second one, fans fail. No bearing can last forever. When things move, they degrade. Law of the universe. Even humans degrade with movement. sounds like either a ESD discharge between the GPU and monitor if it in fact damaged the monitor. If not, your blaming the graphics for a failing monitor. Just because 2 things fail at the same time does not mean that one is the cause of the other. If the hinge on a car door breaks and your alternator goes too, the two are not connected.
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I don't believe in coincidences. One ATI card died along with my monitor, another ATI card died along with my PSU and memory. The x1650 was notorious for using a ridiculous amount of power, anyway.

Yes, everything degrades, Radeon cards especially. My original case fan and CPU fan are still spinning in my old PC after 11 years.
 
Believe in it or not, things can fail at the same time without being connected.

But whatever you say. Your not taking any advice or knowledge. Your just derailing. You obviously have an issue with AMD, and they are a respectable company.
 
wolfeking said:
Believe in it or not, things can fail at the same time without being connected.

But whatever you say. Your not taking any advice or knowledge. Your just derailing. You obviously have an issue with AMD, and they are a respectable company.
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I'm not sure how I'm supposed to believe that it's not related when at the very nanosecond my video card failed, the monitor was trashed. I tried the monitor on another PC and it was still trashed, lines all over the screen. Degaussing and unplugging for a day did nothing. Thought maybe only the monitor went. Tried a different monitor on my PC, still exhibited the video card's problem, red artifacts everywhere. I supposed it's possible that something else caused both to mess up, but I've never had any hardware failures while running a Geforce in my system.
 
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I'm not sure how I'm supposed to believe that it's not related when at the very nanosecond my video card failed, the monitor was trashed. I tried the monitor on another PC and it was still trashed, lines all over the screen. Degaussing and unplugging for a day did nothing. Thought maybe only the monitor went. Tried a different monitor on my PC, still exhibited the video card's problem, red artifacts everywhere. I supposed it's possible that something else caused both to mess up, but I've never had any hardware failures while running a Geforce in my system.
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Dont think its possible for a video card to damage a monitor. Been building computers for 10 years and never heard of the stuff your going on about. Iv only had 2 ati cards and both worked and performed perfectly fine and normal.
 
The only way that i can think of is if it discharged along the VGA/DVI line, but it would have to be one hell of a charge to do it since monitors use far more volts than the computer and could absorb 12 volts like a grain of salt in the ocean.

I think the issue was power related, power from the wall that is.

And I have used AMD cards in both dedicated and integrated form and only had issues with heat, never a failed card that was not due to HPs horrid thermal designs.
 
wolfeking said:
The only way that i can think of is if it discharged along the VGA/DVI line, but it would have to be one hell of a charge to do it since monitors use far more volts than the computer and could absorb 12 volts like a grain of salt in the ocean.

I think the issue was power related, power from the wall that is.

And I have used AMD cards in both dedicated and integrated form and only had issues with heat, never a failed card that was not due to HPs horrid thermal designs.
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Yea, unlikely and probably a once in a lifetime ordeal.

I think this guy just needs to calm down and realize, that if what he is saying is true then not only would AMD/ATi have been facing law suits over their hardware damaging other hardware, but the company would also be in even more debt than it already is possibly completely bankrupt.

But, the fact of the matter is AMD, even though they may be outperformed by Intel/nvidia, is still my favorite company. Because AMD was by far the leading processor architecture when I built my first PC. When the K8 architecture came out, it was so far beyond Intel that it took Intel about 6 years to catch up. And as is usual, the tables have been turned and AMD now needs to design a new microarchitecture to compete more. Even the K10 is an excellent processor, and AMD is able to sell them so cheap and still be in business.
 
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