What Do You DISLIKE About Windows 7

I have had Vista blue screen on video card driver updates. After a reboot, and reinstall it typically went through.

Microsoft did the 80/20 approach with Vista. Where 80% of the work was done under the hood building the new kernel and new tech that goes under the hood, while the other 20 went to the end user experience. Most of Vista's newest features are geared towards power users and IT people, and not the average user at all. Vista, also being released for the past 2 years allows MS to assess their new tech, tweak it, and now improve the end user experience with Windows 7.

In a way Vista was market research and while some may think that is a bad move by MS, and I am no MS lover or fanboy, but MS to be honest is not 100% to blame. All developers has the Vista SDK a year before it came out, and MS wanted to tighten up their OS. They did so by limiting or getting rid of a lot of kernel hooks (which are kind of security holes in a sense), and developers were so lazy and/or sloppy that they did not like having to develop more precise code. Which is why driver support for Vista was so crappy when it first came out. That is really not MS's fault, that is every lazy half ass third party developer not making a quality product.

So, Vista in a way, allowed developers for the past two years scale their products for what Windows 7 will be. Now, it is my opinion that Vista should have been Windows 7 given it was in development for what 6 years?

So, in all honesty a lot of Vista's failures is party all the third party developers faults. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians, or too many cooks in the kitchen ruin the broth. Where as, with closed platforms like Apple or Sun, their products just work, but they develop everything from the ground up. With Windows you have these developers refusing or dismissing or in same cases disputing changes done to the core of Windows because it makes them work harder. Read up on when MS disallowed kernel hooks and how pissed of Symantec was about it. I mean, Symantec is one of the largest software companies out there, and if MS were to piss them off enough where they dropped support for Windows, it would hurt MS a lot, and probably back lash on Symantec, but not as bad as MS. Microsoft would be forced to change their ways at the will of Symantec.
 
I see I see well thanks for posting your thoughts up :)

Defiantly made me wait to buy 7....doesn't sound remotely worth upgrading since I don't need faster boot times which is the only benefit it would have for me...I disable the most the Aero type stuff/gadgets/floating bar do-hickey.
 
Laquer Head said:
-Overhyped
-Price
-Not enough changes to warrant said price
-Far to many versions
-Search feature remains poor
-Slow boot up
-Glitches with setting up 'Home Group'
-Periodically freezes
-RAM issues even with 64-bit o/s
-Doesn't like some programs/drivers
-Upgrade advisor says things will be fine--windows 7 doesn't like it

-There are more, but it might just be a matter of me testing it more!
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Boot up slow? I am up on the internet in 27 seconds from a dead boot

But I do hate how there are some drivers issues, It took me a while to find the drivers for some of my hardware.

I'm not a big fan of the start menu, but i got use to it
 
Bodaggit23 said:
I'd like some examples of what features were removed from Vista to Windows 7.

As for gaining "nothing", there's plenty of improvements.

Killer Taskbar
Jump Lists
Desktop "Peek"
Windows Snap (snaps a window to the side of the screen)
Improved organization of the Search feature
Homegroup

Plus the fact that it runs lighter and quicker.

Ps. Vista has never crashed on any pc I've had it installed on. :good:
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Is that like a rip off of Expose` ?
 
tlarkin said:
Is that like a rip off of Expose` ?
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The whole "snapping a window to the side" was actually already in XP and in Vista. Well, at least the concept was there. You just had to right-click on the taskbar and select "tile windows vertically".

It worked fine if all you had were two windows open. However, if you had three windows open, it would do all three. So, you had to minimize everything (for example with WinKey+D) and the pull up the two windows you wanted to tile (i.e. while leaving the third window minimized), and THEN right-click the taskbar and select to tile vertically.

Now Win7 has definitely improved it to where you can simply drag a window to the end of the screen and let go. Do restore the size, you can drag the window toward the center of the screen and let go. Alternatively, you can just double-click the top bar of the window to restore it to the original size.
 
PC Hobbyist said:
The whole "snapping a window to the side" was actually already in XP and in Vista. Well, at least the concept was there. You just had to right-click on the taskbar and select "tile windows vertically".

It worked fine if all you had were two windows open. However, if you had three windows open, it would do all three. So, you had to minimize everything (for example with WinKey+D) and the pull up the two windows you wanted to tile (i.e. while leaving the third window minimized), and THEN right-click the taskbar and select to tile vertically.

Now Win7 has definitely improved it to where you can simply drag a window to the end of the screen and let go. Do restore the size, you can drag the window toward the center of the screen and let go. Alternatively, you can just double-click the top bar of the window to restore it to the original size.
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Minimizing them in a tile is nothing compared to what Expose can do. Two different species there. Minimizing all windows is not what Expose can do either. Almost every OS has some sort of keyboard short cut to minimize all windows, that is nothing new, but I am curious about this new feature in Win7.
 
tlarkin said:
Minimizing them in a tile is nothing compared to what Expose can do. Two different species there. Minimizing all windows is not what Expose can do either. Almost every OS has some sort of keyboard short cut to minimize all windows, that is nothing new, but I am curious about this new feature in Win7.
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Sorry, my main focus was not the minimizing part (that was only in earlier versions of windows when you wanted to tile fewer windows than you had open). I wanted to focus on the "tile vertically" part that is now made a lot easier in Windows 7. I don't think it's the greatest feature ever, but it's handy sometimes.

Anyway, yes - that is not what Expose does. It does a heck of a lot more!!! Maybe I'm misunderstanding the feature you guys were referring to. :confused::)
Is the "snapping windows" feature of Win7 where you drag a window to the edge of the screen and it will snap to the side and resize to half your screen size?

If you're talking about something else in Windows 7 (something that is more like Expose), then I'm really curious to find out what it is. That would be a sweet feature. Man, there is a part of me that would want to get a mac, but I'm soooo accustomed to Windows, that I don't know if I could ever make the change.
 
- It needs a built-in way to make custom jump lists for categorical shortcuts (like games) since in the case of those programs, you don't want to fill the taskbar with a ton of icons.

- Doesn't run a couple of my old games (neither did Vista so no biggie I guess)

- Device Stage is a bit retarded.

- Control Panel is even more divided, it should be more like the OSX control panel (just about the only thing in OSX I prefer actually, everything else on OSX is garbage (IMO!!))

- Sticky Notes doesn't need its own damn icon on the taskbar.

- There's a certain thing that if I create a toolbar and use large icons, the taskbar gets taller by about 2 pixels, not a big deal but it makes it less pretty since then the icon boxes don't fit correctly

- UAC needs to be more customizable rather than just a high-med-low-off setting. At least on low it doesn't bother me and I still get the benefits of it.

- Windows Snap only works with 2 windows, I'd love Snap to also work with corners so the window would be 1/4 of the screen. Other than that snap is one of the best features and I use it much more often than when I had to ctrl-click the taskbar windows in order to tile them.

- Grouping by certain tags can be slow. Ex: group a folder with thousands of pictures by image width, it'll take about 10-15 seconds...

- Windows Flip is as useless as ever (thankfully can easily be changed, even be made to copy Expose's grid view)

Other than those small gripes, as a power user, its the best OS I've used to date. I think many of the features would be lost on the technically disinclined but that applies to almost every OS.
 
Having never used Vista, I can't comment on that aspect. I went from XP to 7, and I prefer windows 7 now. I really like it. Not sure why the comments about WMP, I like this version better.
Anytime there's change, people complain. And then they complain that there isn't enough change in the operating system for how much it's costing you.
The only problem I've had with the OS, which isn't the OS fault it's the manufacturer, is that my camera drivers are still not available for it and vista drivers don't seem to work. Stupid kodak.
The only thing I dislike about 7 is the defrag screen, I liked how it analyzed and showed me the screen with all the bars rather than just tell me how much % the drive is fragmented. Thats a pretty damn small minor gripe there though.
 
87dtna said:
my camera drivers are still not available for it and vista drivers don't seem to work. Stupid kodak.
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You should be able to just plug your camera in and drag and drop your pictures, unless the camera doesn't take .jpg's.

The Software that came with your camera, that may be a different story.
 
Bodaggit23 said:
You should be able to just plug your camera in and drag and drop your pictures, unless the camera doesn't take .jpg's.

The Software that came with your camera, that may be a different story.
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My wife's fujifilm does that, it works fine. I guess it's a kodak thing, I hook up the camera and try to transfer pics and it does nothing.
 
I won't get into everything I've seen thus far that I dislike, but there's a tremendous amount that'd make me easily pick Vista over 7. I think most of my machines will be Vista/XP/Ubuntu based for a while now :P
 
The_Other_One said:
I won't get into everything I've seen thus far that I dislike, but there's a tremendous amount that'd make me easily pick Vista over 7. I think most of my machines will be Vista/XP/Ubuntu based for a while now :P
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The more I use OS X and Linux the more I dislike Windows. I just hate messing with the registry, it is so convoluted.
 
Not compatible with software,i think microsoft very fast updated their window.i have many problem with software and also have bug with driver especially with graphic card.such as 3dmax, sketchup and other graphic software.
 
Bodaggit23 said:
Not very many people need to mess with the registry.
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Google tweaks, configurations and fixes and you will find plenty of tech articles that refer to the registry. Also, try deploying Windows massively to thousands of clients, you will get to work with the registry plenty.
 
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