Who else has had Windows 10 forced upon them?

[Darren]

If Windows 10 has better accessibility for mouse+keyboard combo, then tell why. I already provided many examples why Windows 7 is much better.

Windows Key + Tab lets you see every single window open, and if you use multiple screens it shows it only on that screen. Very helpful for tracking down a specific window when you have about 30 open across 3 screens like I frequently do.

Windows Key + Arrow key snaps a window to the side of that screen depending on arrow pressed. May have been in 7, but not sure.

The ability to snap windows to the edges of screens that also share edges with other screens. It used to be I could only snap edges on my outer edges, but now I can do it on all of them.

Right click on start button in the bottom left pulls up a lot of administrative functions, including control panel. Settings is there and works for some things, but as you said Control Panel is better for more complicated things. Welp, it's still there and even easier to get to than before!

Also ability to get to things like Device Manager quickly is much appreciated.

 

[H4rdR3s37]

Oh damn that's one HUGE stepback, I mean two clicks instead of one!! But is it smoother? Hell yeah. Ergonomy or performance?

My "computer" habits haven't changed since Seven, I don't see ANY step backs. If you're basing your hate for Ten on those examples, then too bad for you stay in 2009. I'm far from a Windows fanboy by the way, hate 8 when it came out and waited until 8.1 was stable and running better than seven to upgrade. I did the same with Ten, I don't regret anything, Ten is far better in performance and ergonomy (apart from those two clicks at start. You can also press any key to remove the lock screen by the way...

Two clicks? Two users, selecting not default user but another and logging in without typing password:

Windows 7: Press arrow right, press enter. Done. Two clicks.

Windows 10: Press any key to remove locking screen, press tab 4 times (to highlight another user), press enter (select user), press tab 6 times (to highlight Sign in), press enter, done. 13 clicks.

Not to mention that not everyone know that lock screen can be removed pressing any key. I still like to hear about those better things on Windows 10. Perhaps I'm not only one because so many prefer to stick with Windows 7.

Windows Key + Tab lets you see every single window open, and if you use multiple screens it shows it only on that screen. Very helpful for tracking down a specific window when you have about 30 open across 3 screens like I frequently do.

Windows Key + Arrow key snaps a window to the side of that screen depending on arrow pressed. May have been in 7, but not sure.

The ability to snap windows to the edges of screens that also share edges with other screens. It used to be I could only snap edges on my outer edges, but now I can do it on all of them.

Right click on start button in the bottom left pulls up a lot of administrative functions, including control panel. Settings is there and works for some things, but as you said Control Panel is better for more complicated things. Welp, it's still there and even easier to get to than before!

Also ability to get to things like Device Manager quickly is much appreciated.

Now there is something. For that first thing, not sure if software like Dextop can make same.

Windows button+arrow snap works also with Windows 7.

I always start settings with just Win+typing start. Cannot remember last time I clicked Start button with mouse. Tried that right button and still think Win+write is faster. Microsoft is getting rid of Control panel according to this http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows...trol-panel-gone-will-be-subsumed-settings-app

And then only settings panel will remain? I also open Device manager with typing.

While those features are usefuul, there are probably some programs for Windows 7 that give same functionality. But fixing Windows 10 annoyances like not able to scroll through options with keyboard is probably much harder if not impossible.

 

[Laquer Head]

Two clicks? Two users, selecting not default user but another and logging in without typing password:

Windows 7: Press arrow right, press enter. Done. Two clicks.

Windows 10: Press any key to remove locking screen, press tab 4 times (to highlight another user), press enter (select user), press tab 6 times (to highlight Sign in), press enter, done. 13 clicks.

Not to mention that not everyone know that lock screen can be removed pressing any key. I still like to hear about those better things on Windows 10. Perhaps I'm not only one because so many prefer to stick with Windows 7..

You are the same type of person that would negative review something just cause you didn't get a free sticker, aren't you?

 

[H4rdR3s37]

You are the same type of person that would negative review something just cause you didn't get a free sticker, aren't you?

When using desktop computer, I prefer to have operating system that is designed for desktop computer. Not something like Windows 10 hybrid that "should" work on mobile phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and big touch screen displays, all of them.

I was forced to use Windows 8 for some time. After that experience, I'm glad that Windows 7 is desktop OS only. While Windows 10 works better than Windows 8, it is still desktop/touchscreen hybrid with tons of irritating features that should not be present on desktop OS.

For your question. It would be very hard for me to write negatively about Windows 7. I could do it but not easily.

 

[Laquer Head]

..For your question. It would be very hard for me to write negatively about Windows 7. I could do it but not easily.

Really,? that's what you took from my comment?

 

[H4rdR3s37]

Really,? that's what you took from my comment?

To put my answer another way: less Windows 10 gets market share on desktops, the better. I prefer desktop OS for desktop computer and way Windows seems to be going is quite opposite. Not that I write negatively about Windows 10 every week or even every month. So answer to your questions is no.

 

[Laquer Head]

Wow..

 

[Punk]

When using desktop computer, I prefer to have operating system that is designed for desktop computer. Not something like Windows 10 hybrid that "should" work on mobile phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and big touch screen displays, all of them.

I was forced to use Windows 8 for some time. After that experience, I'm glad that Windows 7 is desktop OS only. While Windows 10 works better than Windows 8, it is still desktop/touchscreen hybrid with tons of irritating features that should not be present on desktop OS.

For your question. It would be very hard for me to write negatively about Windows 7. I could do it but not easily.

And why the hybrid bothers you? I couldn't give a crap if it's hybrid or not. Win 10 has a tablet mode that if you're not dumb, you won't use on desktop.
I'm reading your comment as "I don't like change and evolution".

 

[TheNamelessPoet]

And why the hybrid bothers you? I couldn't give a crap if it's hybrid or not. Win 10 has a tablet mode that if you're not dumb, you won't use on desktop.
I'm reading your comment as "I don't like change and evolution".

Some of us don't like chance, for the sake of change. When what we have works just fine and the "next gen" does no benefit to us. That is what I am taking from his comments, probably because I feel the same. I do not remember Windows 7 EVER crashing on me. Why would I move to Windows 10, when I do not find the interface visually pleasing, and it takes extra steps to do things I used to do in less? Why would I make my life MORE difficult/cumbersome for no real benefit?

Maybe I am putting words in his mouth, but from what I read, he feels the same way I do. Windows 10 is not for everyone. Hell as I have said in other posts/threads, I wish it had never changed from Windows XP. But that is MY personal feeling. Since it is not supported anymore, I will go with Windows 7 until something that ACTUALLY benefits ME comes out. Windows 10, with its hybrid "crap" on my desktop is just an annoyance.

 

[Laquer Head]

If your the type of person where an extra click or an extra menu here and there is cumbersome, I worry how they deal with life in general.

 

[TheNamelessPoet]

If your the type of person where an extra click or an extra menu here and there is cumbersome, I worry how they deal with life in general.

You are missing my point (assuming this comment was directed at me.)

I get no benefit from the "benefits" of Windows 10. There is honestly not one thing I could that made anything in my PC experience any better, there were only drawbacks. Now that's not to say they are major drawbacks, like you said, its one click, or one extra menu. If I had benefits in 10 then who cares if there are extra steps to other things, correct? But the point I am making and I THINK he was making is that we are getting no benefits from 10, and that coupled with LOSING the benefits that Windows 7 has over 10 IN OUR CASES makes Windows 10 stupid in our experience. Does that mean that Windows 10 is not for everyone, no of course not. But for someone with a similar desktop experience to us on a regular basis, it would be stupid for us to, effectively DOWNGRADE to Windows 10 (lose features we like, and gain no benefits except being newer.)

THAT is the point I think you are missing. You are only looking at it as a whole for the masses, or for your own personal situation.

 

[Laquer Head]

You are missing my point (assuming this comment was directed at me.)

I get no benefit from the "benefits" of Windows 10. There is honestly not one thing I could that made anything in my PC experience any better, there were only drawbacks. Now that's not to say they are major drawbacks, like you said, its one click, or one extra menu. If I had benefits in 10 then who cares if there are extra steps to other things, correct? But the point I am making and I THINK he was making is that we are getting no benefits from 10, and that coupled with LOSING the benefits that Windows 7 has over 10 IN OUR CASES makes Windows 10 stupid in our experience. Does that mean that Windows 10 is not for everyone, no of course not. But for someone with a similar desktop experience to us on a regular basis, it would be stupid for us to, effectively DOWNGRADE to Windows 10 (lose features we like, and gain no benefits except being newer.)

THAT is the point I think you are missing. You are only looking at it as a whole for the masses, or for your own personal situation.

Nope, not missing any point.

I simply disagree with the points give,.. to be fair, I wasn't actually directing just at you.

All that being said, I respect your points and feelings whether we agree or not!

 

[Geoff]

When using desktop computer, I prefer to have operating system that is designed for desktop computer. Not something like Windows 10 hybrid that "should" work on mobile phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and big touch screen displays, all of them.

I was forced to use Windows 8 for some time. After that experience, I'm glad that Windows 7 is desktop OS only. While Windows 10 works better than Windows 8, it is still desktop/touchscreen hybrid with tons of irritating features that should not be present on desktop OS.

For your question. It would be very hard for me to write negatively about Windows 7. I could do it but not easily.

If you were talking about Windows 8, I would agree. Windows 10 Enterprise doesn't utilize the metro interface at all, from the moment you boot up for the first time you are presented with the desktop interface. It is not at all less easy to use with a keyboard and mouse than Windows 7. Even Windows 10 Home/Pro, once you default it to the desktop it is just as easy to use as Windows 7 with a keyboard and mouse.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You probably kept the metro screen as the default boot up option.

 

[spirit]

I'm not sure what the aversion to Windows 10 is all about either really. Maybe people have just bad memories of 8 and 8.1 which were actually great operating systems too. Or, thanks to the media blowing things out of proportion, this whole thing with the security settings. The fact is though that if you use Google then you're also giving away your information.

When 10 came out I thought it was OK but the original release of it was actually buggier for me than some of the beta builds that had come out before it. Then shortly afterwards they came out with Build 10586 which actually I think should have been the build they originally released because for me at least it's much more stable - a lot of the annoying crashes and bugs with Universal apps were ironed out. 10586 has been great for me so far, great OS!

On a tablet I still prefer 8.1 but that's mainly because the OneNote Metro/Universal app in 10 is nowhere near as good as the one in 8.1 and OneNote is the app I depend on when I use a tablet. If I didn't need to use it I'd probably have 10 on my Surface Pro too.

Maybe I'm weird or I'm missing something, but I never understood why people said 'ohhhh 8.1 is rubbish with a keyboard and mouse'. I got on absolutely fine with it on my desktop. I can understand why people said the original release of 8 might not have been the best experience on a mouse and keyboard but 8.1 was fine. 10 is fine too.

 

[aldan]

Windows 10 is designed for casual users who use touchpad. Those who prefer mouse and keyboard are better with Windows 7.

are you kidding??i see no differance between 7 and 10 other than ease of use and speed.if yu had said that about win8 i might agree.by the way,this os is designed for desktop.if yu want to pick a fight,best to pick a battle yu can win.

 

[H4rdR3s37]

And why the hybrid bothers you? I couldn't give a crap if it's hybrid or not. Win 10 has a tablet mode that if you're not dumb, you won't use on desktop.
I'm reading your comment as "I don't like change and evolution".

Windows 10 is much worse for desktop than Windows 7, because Win 10 has not "desktop only" mode that totally hides all menus and items that are designed for tablets. Change and evolution might be acceptable if Windows 10 is better than Windows 7 for desktop use AND it has tablet mode that is invisible for desktop users. Now there is very mixed desktop/tablet experience. I still see nightmares about Windows 8.

If you were talking about Windows 8, I would agree. Windows 10 Enterprise doesn't utilize the metro interface at all, from the moment you boot up for the first time you are presented with the desktop interface. It is not at all less easy to use with a keyboard and mouse than Windows 7. Even Windows 10 Home/Pro, once you default it to the desktop it is just as easy to use as Windows 7 with a keyboard and mouse.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You probably kept the metro screen as the default boot up option.

Don't know about Enterprice version but Windows 10 Home and Pro greets me with "antique" (won't call it modern) UI after first boot before getting to desktop. At least did so month ago and earlier. Might have changed.

are you kidding??i see no differance between 7 and 10 other than ease of use and speed.if yu had said that about win8 i might agree.by the way,this os is designed for desktop.if yu want to pick a fight,best to pick a battle yu can win.

If you see no difference, try to switch to another user account using only keyboard. Also even Microsoft admits that Windows 10 is not designed for desktop only (like Windows 7 were) so impossible to "lose this battle".

 

[Laquer Head]

Don't know about Enterprice version but Windows 10 Home and Pro greets me with "antique" (won't call it modern) UI after first boot before getting to desktop. At least did so month ago and earlier. Might have changed.

If you see no difference, try to switch to another user account using only keyboard. Also even Microsoft admits that Windows 10 is not designed for desktop only (like Windows 7 were) so impossible to "lose this battle".

Ohh now it makes sense, you got Windows 10 Antique Edition!!

Can you link to an official MS site/page that explains this in detail??

 

[Punk]

because Win 10 has not "desktop only" mode that totally hides all menus and items that are designed for tablets.

Hmm what? I have no menus that I need to access doing a move with the mouse like I did on the tablet. In fact, 10 is more desktop than 8.1 .

It's fully designed for desktop, with the option of a tablet mode.

 

[beers]

I was forced to use Windows 8 for some time. After that experience, I'm glad that Windows 7 is desktop OS only.

Meh, you can specifically choose to boot to desktop mode. Also, the same elements from Windows 8 and 10 are present in Server 2012 and upcoming 2016 respectively, so the "omg designed as desktop OS" is a little short-sighted.

Refusing to use a mouse to click a button and tab selecting instead is your own personal problem.

 

[H4rdR3s37]

Ohh now it makes sense, you got Windows 10 Antique Edition!!

Can you link to an official MS site/page that explains this in detail??

Windows 10 UI is far from modern, at least for desktops.

That windows 10 was not designed for desktop only? Fact that Microsoft wants Win 10 to cover "everything" makes this ovbious http://az648995.vo.msecnd.net/win/2014/09/Windows_Product_Family_9-30-Event.png

Hmm what? I have no menus that I need to access doing a move with the mouse like I did on the tablet. In fact, 10 is more desktop than 8.1 .

It's fully designed for desktop, with the option of a tablet mode.

Windows 10 has many menus that are designed for tablets even when using desktop mode. At least it requires special attention to avoid them. Win 10 is more desktop than Win 8.1 but much less than Win 7. Microsoft could have retain Windows 7 UI for desktop users and add tablet mode for tablets.

If Windows 10 is fully designed for desktop, then why start menu gives many tablet options even on desktop mode? Start menu in general is designed for tablets. Options starting from bottom: All apps is designed for tablets. Also Power options. Settings open Settings panel (Control panel is desktop option). File Explorer, while desktop, is much worse than on Windows 7. Above all are six applications, all tablet versions. On right side I see only tablet versions or universal apps.

Given these facts I disagree with that "Windows 10 is designed for desktops" claim. As Microsoft is also trying to get rid of control panel (and replace it with Settings that is tablet version of Control panel), Windows 10 will become even less desktop.

Meh, you can specifically choose to boot to desktop mode. Also, the same elements from Windows 8 and 10 are present in Server 2012 and upcoming 2016 respectively, so the "omg designed as desktop OS" is a little short-sighted.

Refusing to use a mouse to click a button and tab selecting instead is your own personal problem.

Desktop boot after selecting settings yes. But those settings needs to be selected first.

Using keyboard only is much faster than using keyboard+mouse. In fact Windows 7 start menu was designed for keyboard use only. So first Microsoft designs start menu UI (Windows Vista +7) that is best used with keyboard only, then on Windows 10 users should use keyboard and mouse. Perhaps something else than MY personal problem.