does anyone has a reason to use Windows(pc) and not mac?
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MagGoT_4_liFE
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Yes, gaming...
Now I'n not dissing Apple, I use them for music editing/producing, and I've been w/ them since I was born (back in the Quadra Days, My FIRST Computer, also a laptop, was a Macintosh Portable, and my second comp, a desktop, was a Quadra 605...I have other, but too may old ones to list...)
My dad is a music teacher, so I guess that's why we've been using them (he's been using them since they came out...what was that, '84?)
BUT recently (past 3 years I think) I have used PC's for gaming. WHY?
1. Game Library: The Games for windows are LIMITLESS
2. Quality: The >MAJORITY< of the game are great, unlike consoles, which they're lucky if 10% have quality gameplay. EDIT: Good games 4 console (a few console only games): Any of the Zelda's, Super Smash, Any Mario, (As you can see, Nintendo has the best quality IMO), Final Fantasy (Tho now kinda 4 pc, and A lil overrated if ya ask me), Kindom Hearts 1/2, (hmm lemme think of Xbox games......oh yeah, NONE, at least thats my opinion, please give an example if you have a "good" one...I HATE halo/2, there are WAY better FPS's for PC with better stories, gamplay, and most of all, ONLINE PLAY (XBL is FULL of modders, at least last time I checked....))
3. Controls: I honestly prefer keyboard+mouse (but originally like controller). I find it's WAY more comfortable, and it has MANY more configurations/possiblities. Have you ever played CS on XBL and then on PC? I can't imagine going back and trying to turn with the control stick, my mouse has SUPER high sensitivity and i can move my hand faster than my thumb...
4. (Most important IMO) GRAPHICS: If you have a high end PC, the Graphics are in all ways SUPERIOR to and console...but thats imo...(I HATE the way games look on the 360...)
5. Vent/TS: Obvious....XBL sucks imo for speaking...
That's all I can think of now, but I'm sure I'll think of more GAMING reasons l8r.....
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I run all games at the high detail levels without problems. The usual resolution here is 1280x1024 on an lcd. Obviously if I jumped on an X1950XTX I would see some great fps with the latest level of graphics acceleration. But I do far more then gaming on a pc. Instead of OCing cards I try to tweak the entire system to see the best performance there.
Besides the vpu newer games are just a little more memory hungry where 2gb is a good start at times for a gaming system along with "good" sound. But just thing what you would have to put towards a new system if you ran one card for at least 2yrs.? 3x$300 or even more by spending less.
Why are they making DX10 cards then? Just getting ahead of the games or something?
http://www.eurogamer.net/game.php?game_id=4408
Supposedly that game, has a MINIMUM requirement of 32MB DX9C compatible card.
http://www.eurogamer.net/game.php?game_id=4408
Supposedly that game, has a MINIMUM requirement of 32MB DX9C compatible card.
tlarkin
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well I said correct me if I am wrong, but I am also saying it takes a while for games to catch up to the hardware technology. Is that the only game out there that requires DX9c? That has always been the case. In fact the only exception in the history of video games is Oblivion, they started developing it several years ago, and they were developing it with DX9 technology, even years ago. It was like the only video game that at its release date could use the entire features of whatever DX revision card was out at the time.
This is way off topic at this point, so let me try to toss it back on topic.
If gaming is your only want out of a PC then yeah a PC is probably your best bet, but to say macs aren't for gaming is ignorant. They can run windows, and thus run any windows app they want to, including games. I have had HL2 and BF2 on an intel mac pro and it ran faster than tons PC I have seen. Now, spending the money on a Mac Pro may be a bit ridiculous for gaming. I mean who runs 2x dual core xeons on a gaming rig? Games won't even take advantage of that kind of hardware. So, I agree with you if you are into pure gaming a PC is a better choice, but macs can do it as well.
If you are doing anything professionally (audio, video, etc) then they are almost better systems to have.
No matter how much you argue that I have never had a virus on my PC, macs are still way more secure. At least they are for now.
Do they sell Macs yet with Windows pre-installed?
If not, would you be throwing away your warranty by installing a foreign OS on a Mac? I think for the majority of users, especially after spending that much on a Mac, they would not want to void the warranty just to run Windows and play games.
I do agree though, for alot of audio/video programs, Mac is taking over. At my old highschool the entire photo lab and school TV program labs were Mac based.
If not, would you be throwing away your warranty by installing a foreign OS on a Mac? I think for the majority of users, especially after spending that much on a Mac, they would not want to void the warranty just to run Windows and play games.
I do agree though, for alot of audio/video programs, Mac is taking over. At my old highschool the entire photo lab and school TV program labs were Mac based.
tlarkin
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There is no such thing as a software warranty. All software for any platform is install at your own risk, and data loss is on you not the company. Trust me I do warranty work on a variety of systems at my job, and am familar with how warranties work. They only cover hardware failure.
What installing windows does for the user, is get rid of the OS barrier, and allows them to run both platforms. Apparently Apple is now working on a dual boot system where you have both OSes running simulatinously, well its rumored. And apple is super secretive about it, so it could be rumor or it could be truth. But how awesome would be to, to like fast user switch from one OS to antoher?
What installing windows does for the user, is get rid of the OS barrier, and allows them to run both platforms. Apparently Apple is now working on a dual boot system where you have both OSes running simulatinously, well its rumored. And apple is super secretive about it, so it could be rumor or it could be truth. But how awesome would be to, to like fast user switch from one OS to antoher?
MagGoT_4_liFE
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Ya, mabye if you wanna fork out 1200 for a mac where as PC you can do the same in the 800's. Plus, even the HIGH end G5's the video is all superb...and thats gettin into the 3k range.....
AND the old(er) macs, like I have, the g3's and 4's, the games that come with it are OLD, and I have like 16mb onboard video....lol....
Also, (NOT TALKING ABOUT USING BOOTCAMP), MOST games that are MACOSX native come out months to years after they are released on Pc, and are sill list price... (I saw Doom3/Quake4/ect. for 50 for OSX native, where u can get em for XP for 20 bucks...)
tlarkin
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Yup, I agree, and refer to my comment in a previous post, who in their right mind builds a gaming rig with 2x Dual Core Xeons? The cost of those processors alone is over $1,000.00 each. No, you would go buy a core 2 duo instead, much cheaper and it performs nicely.
If you read through many previous posts, there are other ways of running windows software natively with out booting into windows via boot camp. HL2 will run with cross over on a mac, and you can install the windows version.
It is the begining, and you will only see it get better as time passes. I wouldn't doubt if you start to see lots of universal binary (dual release) applications now for both mac and PC since they are based on the same hardware architecture.
By the time you add in a 19 inch LCD display, your 800 dollar gaming rig just went up to like 1100 ~ 1300ish range depending on the type of monitor you get. The downside to the iMac is, you can't upgrade it that much. Then again people are just buying new systems every two to three years anyways these days.
What Apple is missing, is an mid range level, fully upgradeable desktop computer. If you look at their desktops, they only have high end, the mac pro. Which will blow the pants off any Core 2 duo gaming system you build, but then again, I will repeat myself one more time, who builds gaming rigs with 2x dual core xeons?
ATI now starting releasing both mac and PC video cards that are compatable each way, so the hardware will become the same price, and same availability in the near future.
I am willing to bet if apple made a mid range level desktop with a core 2 duo processor and the ability to toss any video card in there you might see some gamers switch over.