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PC eye

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Cab00se said:
on that note: what's the potential gain seen from jumping from a x2 3800 to an x2 4400

The gain is essentially the same as when going from an Atholon XP1800 to the XP3200+ for a rough estimate there. The OS you are running loads faster. The cpu processes data of various types at a faster rate. If a program requires a minimum of an XP1800+ the jump seen with the 2400+ is like going from 25mph to 35mph while the jump with the 3200+ is climbing to the 65mph super highway. If the 3800+ X2 makes the 40mph you've just gone to the super highway. The real gain is found with increased vpu power in order to free up cpu time when gaming.
 

Impr3ssiv3

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mgoldb2 said:
I would say at least 50% of the time when someone gives a product a bad review at newegg it because they got no clue what they doing and it more likely human error then the product it self.


true

i was listening to the radio and they said that 80% of items return have nothing wrong with them, thusly human error
 

Cab00se

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PC eye said:
The gain is essentially the same as when going from an Atholon XP1800 to the XP3200+ for a rough estimate there. The OS you are running loads faster. The cpu processes data of various types at a faster rate. If a program requires a minimum of an XP1800+ the jump seen with the 2400+ is like going from 25mph to 35mph while the jump with the 3200+ is climbing to the 65mph super highway. If the 3800+ X2 makes the 40mph you've just gone to the super highway. The real gain is found with increased vpu power in order to free up cpu time when gaming.

so even though it wouldn't boost fps a lot it would be useful for just normal operating procedures and processes in the background?
 

PC eye

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The concept behind the dual cored cpu is to free up processor time for the program or programs you would run along with still seeing all background services incorporated into Windows without taxing cpu time. By going from the 3800+ to the 4400+ you speed up the processing of data sent to the cpu. As far as frame rates in any graphics apps or games that is controlled mainly by the video processing unit(vpu) now seen on the newer AGP model cards as well as the PCI-E type. The upgraded model cpu only takes what is fed to it and goes from there.
 

Cab00se

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Ok, I finally ordered this and it should be here either today or tomorrow, I will build this thing then tell you how it works, thanks to everyone, especially PC Eye for all your help, it was instrumental in my decision making.

Final buy:

GPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150144

OS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102062

CASE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119077

PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103931

HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148140

DVD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827151118

MOBO http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131568

CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103546

RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227084

Should be a nice little powerhouse for a little while. Eventually thinking about SLI obviously. Thanks again everyone
 

PC eye

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Hey let us know how you make out with it. A good price on the XP Pro/SP2 package and running high end memory. I favor WD over Seagate however. But remember to save a TP II 550w for me.
 

Cab00se

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yea, I know the price was the same for the WD and Seagate ones but I've had 3 Seagates and never a problem with them so I will stay with them and their 5 year warranty. Nothing against WD just don't fix what ain't broke. And hopefully it will be here tomorrow so I will tell you how it is tomorrow night or if not then the next night if it takes another day to come/set up.
 

Decadence

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why socket 939 instead of AM2?(not criticism...just wondering) I'm actually thinking about building a similar computer(in a thread which noone has been answering!!!)
 

Cab00se

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well, IMO AM2 might be better yes, but it has not been out as long as Sockete 939 and so once again, IMO these mobos have been perfected as much as they ever will be whereas the AM2 ones are still new and not necessarily bad, but not proven good.

Also, The availability of the X2 4400 Toledo was much easier to find for the 939 than the AM2. I just want a good gaming computer and not necessarily the absolute best as I don't really upgrade major components only lessers like GPU and RAM.
 

PC eye

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Personally I will be going a little further with the Opteron line of cpus being given a serious look at the moment. The old Socket A system will be going into the retirement home soon enough. But when building a replacement it will have to be a reliable and stable system to hold up under the crap I'll put it through at times. I always seem to be beta testing one thing or another lately.
 

Cab00se

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ok, I finally got it all set up and running good and just played some CS:S with it.... I am getting between 80 and 120 fps with everything maxed out including AA,AF and 1280 x1024 resolution. I couldn't have asked for more and it all went smoothly on the set up besides a small hiccup with not putting in the 12V connector (see other thread).

It's currently operating at 2.21 Ghz ... is that normal for a 4400 X2 (939)?

Sounds good to me but then again I dunno, I'm just making sure because when we put the heatsink on with the heatpad we were forced to take it off again soon after before we were completely done and it seemed to have already taken a bit of the thermal paste that they had on there off. But overall I think it was still enough to cover it all just making sure.

Other than that everything is working beautifully and no problems knock on wood.

I'll post some screenshots and some more complete testing in the near future.

Thanks again everyone.:)
 

Cab00se

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Hey during the installation we had to take off the heatsink because we needed a number from the CPU. Unfortunately the thermal compound that was on the bottom of the heatsink partially was on there but we got what we wanted and just put it back on. Now my computer is up and running and everything but on the ASUS monitor it says that the CPU is around 40 C and the MB is around 45C, with stock heatsinks and fans is this normal?

I also think that the two fans (80mm in front 120 in rear) are not spinning fast enough because I cannot feel much airflow coming out of either fan. What speed should they be at so that I can set that in the BIOS.

THanks for those who know :p
 

PC eye

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If set on auto you board will take over controlling the fans and speed them up when the sensors indicate the need for an increase. With a freshly seated cpu and new HSF as well the temps will be down before 40C. Keeping that low with a stock HSF is a different matter. With a 92mm fan mounted on the sink here the initial temp was 39C. after several weeks that climbed right up to the average of 44-46C idle. The other morning after several hours of gaming the 60C temp was seen for the first time since the stock was replaced. Well tne new 92mm blue led fan on in the new sink here will go well with the two blue led 80mm fans(one top, one rear of case) already running. Now to get a see through case!

Wait awhile on the temps for everything to get settiled. The board temp does seem a little high though. Usually you see the cpu temp above the board's. If those fans came with the case and not chosen separately you should go back to the vendor for that info.
 
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