BUSH or KELLY?

There were more than a few reasons I DID NOT vote for kerry.

First of all government controlled healthcare is one more step in the direction of communism.... (which is what the democratic party has slipped into)


A scary thought is Hillary Rodham Clinton on the democratic ticket in 2008...

YIKES!!!


and back to Kerry.... he is a huge supporter of the UN..

and sorry to burst the UN bubble.. but they arent even STRONG enough to poor salt on a snail..... First of all by the time they pass a resolution the snail is long gone.... and second of all they DONT have the strength in numbers to poor the salt.. remember the saying: How many monkeys does it take to screw in a light bulb? It takes about 400,000 to create a resolution and they have about 10 people to enforce it (exagerating.... )


My point is that the UN is a joke and Kerry wanted to help build an international court... ouch that would suck...

and he never gave the american people the actual numbers of HOW HE WAS GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING HE SAID NEEDED TO BE CHANGED...


WOW... I love being an American but our political leaders are just not like they used to be....

Well, at this point.. when Im 30 I might run for a senate seat... and maybe the presidency at 35.
 
Id vote for kelly :) not because i think kerry would be a good president, but i think he would do a better job than bush(who has effectively screwed this country over) jobs are being lost, the national debt is in the trillions, iraq was and still is a mess, rights are being ignored, foreing opinion of america is bad, and now with d.c. completely controlled by republicans its hard to imagine things getting better. but really i dont know mabye bush will be good. :D
 
smadge said:
Id vote for kelly not because i think kerry would be a good president, but i think he would do a better job than bush(who has effectively screwed this country over) jobs are being lost, the national debt is in the trillions, iraq was and still is a mess, rights are being ignored, foreing opinion of America is bad, and now with d.c. completely controlled by republicans its hard to imagine things getting better. but really i dont know mabye bush will be good.
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First off... I would rather have a little less privacy and live in a country that actively hunts out those who want to do harm to the US... secondly check out www.bls.gov 5.5% isnt great... but remember the lowest you can get is somewhere around 4% which accounts for those unable to work..... and the whole thing about the economy and the president is a joke... there is something called an economic cycle.... when our economy grows and gets too wealthy and strong inflation begins to grow which can destroy an economy so we have to cut back with interest rates which untimely creates the lower end of that cycle.... the first BUSH gave a tax cut to the middle class at the end of his first term which ultimately caused his failure at re-election. BUT... it created what CLINTON was able to increase in his 8 year term.. which was a growth unlike any we have seen in the US before... but at a certain point it cant keep growing (great depression ..etc...) anyway our economy EVEN in a time of war is improving day by day...



With regards to IRAQ.. I dont care what anyone outside of America has to say... remember WW2?? Everyone just let Hitler keep on going... appeasing him.... etc.... America was an isolationist country and look what happened...





lets not let that happen again! History will look back.. and I think.. consider what we did, the right thing.. NOW BECAUSE OF TERRORISTS IRAQ is a mess.. once again the world is backing away to terrorism.. hmmm..

 
They are bloody cousins Kelly n Bush. N they are both w******. They are as bad as each other!! I'm glad bush won, Kelly was arrogant!! Not that Bush wasn't... just that my emails slagging bush off would have 2 change 2 Kelly. Which would piss me off cos i got some emails.
 
I voted for W. Besides believing he is a good president
i really do care about moral issues. Kerry came across to me as a very dishonest and snake like person. I couldn't believe a thing he said and some of the things he said actually made me a little angry. I'm glad it's over though.
 
kerry talked a lot, but didn't really have much of a plan for anything. having lived many years in germany, i use it for a cross reference for other places to compare policies. take it from someone who knows and suffers from the consequences. goverment funded healthcare does not work! yes, it is nice to know i get healthcare when i need it, but due to it not working, i pay more taxes and my first visit to the doctors offices in a months time, costs me 20 bucks just for him to see me. then, if i need a perscription, i still pay a good bit for that to the pharmacy. yet, about 350 USD a month are deducted from my paycheck each month not including other taxes which ultimatly get raised as well to help fill wholes in the financing for such a venture, amongst others.

also, people in america really don't know what high unemployment means! germany has over 4.2 mil. unemployed individuals listed. this does not included the homeless and is still over 10% of the countries listed population. also, it's getting worse...

i am not saying that bush is a great president, nor do i claim to be a bush fan, but kerry is by far not a man i would have chosen to represent myself and my peares (sp?). many would say it was a matter of chosing the lesser evil, but honestly, i don't find bush evil, however, i do precieve him as a bit of a cowboy. he does as he says in most cases and iraq is a good example for this. kerry on the other hand did not make a trustworthy impression to me.

btw, i am not a republican, nor a democrat, i reside in the gray area. :)
 
please excuse my bad spelling and messed up sentences, it's late, i'm tire and just got home from a long day at work.
 
zkiller dont worry about the spelling... all of us make mistakes with spelling every once and awhile...



You make some great points aswell. 5.5% unemployment in our country is great.... what democrats argue over is like .5% anyways....


What we need is to get rid of welfare and illegal people in the US who takes jobs away from others.... and THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON WELFARE... do the jobs that the illegal people were doing....


then... the people on welfare who are taking OUR TAX MONEY and not doing anything will make money AND PAY TAXES and those who work illegally and TAKE OUR TAX MONEY but DO NOT PAY TAXES will be gone... and walla!! un-employment DOWN... taxes LOWERED (or at least that tax money starting to pay down the rent) etc....
 
zkiller said:
goverment funded healthcare does not work!
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we have government funded healthcare here in Australia and it works marvellously. America always strikes me as a country which looks out for the rich, and those who fall on hard times do it tough...
 
Frankly, I wish you were right... but you are not. Instead 10% of my salary goes to the federal government and - Im not sure the percentage - goes to my state...

Much of that goes into the welfare system and we pay for social security, medicare etc...

..none of which really work...


anyway... thats what you get when you live in a capitalist society.



I guess my point, in response to your post Ian is that the philosophy of the US, or at least one of them, is that not everything should be government run.

Our private sector has the ability to do things better because of competition etc.. which can only exist when not being run by the government.
 
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Frankly, I wish you were right... but you are not. Instead 10% of my salary goes to the federal government and - Im not sure the percentage - goes to my state....
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Here the top tax rate is around 47% or something like that, mind you it is a progressive tax system, the more you earn, the higher rate you pay.
 
hmmm...

Over here the top 1% pay 86% of the taxes.
..which has to be a crap load of money!

The reason I only pay 10% to the federal gov is because I have nothing to declare... I do however, have a few deductions that lower my taxes. (and I dont make very much money)

I actually am in favor of getting rid of income tax and instead having a flat sales tax rate (maybe 15%) ...first of all... My weekly paychecks would not drop from $750 (US currency) to about $450 (there is also social security... union dues... state taxes... and workers comp all take out of each check but about $75 a week but that is $3900 a year taken out....


My previous post was a little bit stupid (forgive me... long day at work....)


Now that I have to go to school... I think I will get on the boards later and try and explain everything a little bit better....
 
Greg J. said:
I would rather have all rights and freedoms of the U.S. I do NOT want privacy invasions because I'm NOT scared of t e rr or is ts. All this fear-mongering crap has been buggin' me. I ain't scared. So, all this t er ror crap doesn't matter to me. I believe Kerry's plan for education could've helped my school (and many others) to actually HAVE a budjet. :)
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would you be scared of a terrorist if he shot your family and said you were next? alot of people think they are SOOO distant from the actual war, like they're not affected by it. i feel the same way at times, i'm focusing on my social life while men are dying across the world...hardly seems realistic for me to worry about my own butt right? but then i remember my uncle who is over there fighting right now, and how if i knew he was being held hostage, or i was contacted and told he was shot and killed...i'd be right in the middle of things...the war would definetly affect me and my life here in lil' coppell, TX. true i'm not "scared" of a terrorist as of now...but if the worst happened and i was to get involved i would definetly be scared for my family, loved ones, and myself.

but i do agree with you about kerry's education plan...my skool has suffered alot, to the point where we have 5 geometry books for 200+ kids...not enough $$$$ to get any more. so my teacher scans the homework out of the book and we do it, but now there telling her she is using too much paper and limit her to 2000 copies a tri (hardly enough). something needs to be done, otherwise we will be doing our homework on the internet (which i hate, and other are not able to do)
 
state and local gov has more control of the educational system in america than the federal gov..



it is up to the state to ask for federal help.. etc...





as for privacy vs. security... this debate is one of the defining ones throughout history...



I personally lost 2 friends in the attacks of 9/11 ... at the time of the '93 WTC bombing I remember even at the age of 9 talking and having a debate in school on this subject..





I still feel that waiting in lines and being searched at the airport is worth protecting my country. I feel that the patriot act - which limits the rights of those we think are terrorists - is worth protecting my family's life.



I also believe strongly that the reason the federal education budget (along with other federally funded initiatives) is so LOW is because there is a large portion of our taxes going to welfare. My opinion on this is quite simple. Everyone who is abusing welfare and not looking for a job can get a job. There are millions of illegal aliens from many countries in the US taking these jobs... and not PAYING TAXES.. if we enforce our immigration laws we can NOT ONLY MAKE OUR COUNTRY more secure from terrorists.. which is a very real threat..... BUT WE can make the welfare abusers get off their asses and take those jobs left by the illegal aliens.
 
Yes

Yes, you do have good points about debates and those known to you that have died (and the abusers of the system). It's true that our nation is constantly changing. The new generation is here (and another may be coming). What do you think the U.S. will be like in the future (say 20 or so years from now?) I'm curious because we're heading into a new age and things are a-changin'! It is incredible in terms of technology, races, and population. :cool:
 
I am 20 years old. People of my generation (dubbed Generation X - I think Im a few years younger than them... anyway) we are the fast pace... get everything done faster... generation...


.... I know when I am on a computer I run through screens at a faster pace than my dad. My generation has a shorter attention span etc... Our emotion IQ is a lot less. We cram so many things into our schedules...


I bring these things up, because this is the world we live in. Technology's purpose is to speed things up. Businesses want MORE thing accomplished in less time with less of a WORKFORCE.

At home we multitask like CRAZY!


I see (at least in the educated world) this concept evolving. We are in a world that is changing rapidly. The past 100 or so years our world has changed technology wise - sciences, mathmatics, inventions... from the moon to mars .. hubble is still going...

I see, escpecially in America, the speed at which we live our daily lives only growing and expanding.


I am working on a Bachlors of Science in computer software engineering.

I am learning everything from C to J# to unix to SQL and oracle and XML and ADA/ADO and PHP and Perl and so on and so on.. blah..blah..blah

THe working world has become a different animal entirly.

IN PAST GENERATIONS a man (or woman) had a SPECIFIC trade.. He or she mastered that trade and that is all they needed.

TODAY, we cant do that. I, as a future software engineer, cant just know one program.. furthermore I cant just know about software.. I have to learn network priciples... the basics of hardware and a bunch of other things.

Our world (computers) is about knowing as much as you can ON AS MANY TOPICS as you can.



ON THE POLITIC side of our country.

I am a registered Republican. I am a moderate.


I do not venture to far in either directions when it comes to opinions on the topics this country mainly focuses on.


I do have certain opinions on the future of our AMERICA and the rest of the world.



Take for example what Colin Powell just did. Do we want ILLEGAL aliens in our country? DO we want them making money and NOT PAYING TAXES? (and to answer the question: Well who would do these jobs if the illegals didnt do them? ANSWER: THE MEN AND WOMEN ON WELFARE... who ABUSE it! who sit at home collecting checks... the SAME MONEY I WORKED FOR! ... )

...anyway .. SFR say on topic!...



This country is getting away from its roots.. Look at what most of the VOTING america said was their NUMBER ONE ISSUE in choosing who and what they voted for: MORAL ISSUES

not the war, not the economy.. the MORALS.

I supported Bush's decision to attack Iraq. I supported him when HE TOLD AMERICA AFTER 9/11 THAT HE WILL SEEK OUT TERRORISTS WHEREVER THEY MIGHT BE. Whether they are in a cave or in a palace... he will seek them out and end their raign of terror.

Saddam Hussein is a murderer. He is a terrorist. Whether he had a DIRECT connect to the SPECIFIC attacks of 9/11 or not... He has funded the PLO. HAMAS Kuwait etc... He has terrorized Israel and HIS OWN people (remember the Kurds?) !

Our country needs to secure our borders (which legalizing illegal men and women in our country undermines)


If you are wondering why I have spent so much time answering your question of the future of america ON who is IN OUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY and THE SPEED AT WHICH ALL OF US LIVE OUR DAILY LIVES... it is because these are the two factors that will change the path I SEE AMERICA taking.


I also think Moral values is an issue..

I am 100% behind our first ammendment. I think HOWARD STERN has every right to say whatever he wants on the radio..

But is it morally right? When I raise my children do I want them listening to something like that? ...and with the speed at which we live our lives.. AM I GOING to have the time to control what my children see and listen too?


So... to try and summarize the answer of what THE U.S.A. will be like in 20 or 25 years. I HOPE we will have rooted out the majority of terrorism on EARTH, I HOPE some of the EUROPEAN countries will OPEN UP A HISTORY BOOK AND ACTUALLY READ IT AND SEE THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THEIR PAST ACTIONS AND PRESENT ONES..


I hope America will get back to being a country in which ANYONE CAN LEGALLY enter our country and live their lives without being pre judged... without having to wake up every morning and check and see if our children are still in their beds SAFE.

I hope the world will continue to share its resources and I will be able to travel around the world without fears...


I hope we will continue to open our eyes to the amazing things on EARTH and in space....

I hope we can take care of our planet and stop trashing it



So, in the end, I just rambled on.. and found out that I DONT have an answer to your question Greg J.

Instead, I have a bunch of ideas and hopes... will the come true?

I hope.
 
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First off... I would rather have a little less privacy and live in a country that actively hunts out those who want to do harm to the US... secondly check out www.bls.gov 5.5% isnt great... but remember the lowest you can get is somewhere around 4% which accounts for those unable to work..... and the whole thing about the economy and the president is a joke... there is something called an economic cycle.... when our economy grows and gets too wealthy and strong inflation begins to grow which can destroy an economy so we have to cut back with interest rates which untimely creates the lower end of that cycle.... the first BUSH gave a tax cut to the middle class at the end of his first term which ultimately caused his failure at re-election. BUT... it created what CLINTON was able to increase in his 8 year term.. which was a growth unlike any we have seen in the US before... but at a certain point it cant keep growing (great depression ..etc...) anyway our economy EVEN in a time of war is improving day by day...



With regards to IRAQ.. I dont care what anyone outside of America has to say... remember WW2?? Everyone just let Hitler keep on going... appeasing him.... etc.... America was an isolationist country and look what happened...





lets not let that happen again! History will look back.. and I think.. consider what we did, the right thing.. NOW BECAUSE OF TERRORISTS IRAQ is a mess.. once again the world is backing away to terrorism.. hmmm..

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about giving up freedoms for security....

thats EXACTLY what adolf hitler did...
Adolf Hitler wrote, "An evil exists that threatens every man, women and child of this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic security and protect our homeland".


To quote Benjamin Franklin “They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety”.
 
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