considering first build

Discussion in 'Desktop Computers' started by jd10013, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. porterjw

    porterjw Moderator Staff Member

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    You don't need an 8600k for 'light gaming at medium settings'. Stick with an i5, but look more towards an 8400 or maybe a bit below. Previous gen is still fine too, and often yields a much better performance/price ratio.

    This close to Black Friday and Cyber Monday, don't buy anything right now.
     
  2. OmniDyne

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    The i5-8400 is sitting at $220. It's just not worth that, it's worth more like $160, if that.

    The Ryzen 5 2600 is going to be your best choice. You wouldn't even notice the difference between the 2600 and the 8600K.

    The 2600 would play just about any game on max settings.
     
  3. porterjw

    porterjw Moderator Staff Member

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    :rolleyes:
     
  4. OmniDyne

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    Didn't see that part of your post.

    Would be amazed if he managed to get a deal on the 8400, even on Black Friday or Cyber Monday. Even at original MSRP, it still wouldn't be worth it.
     
  5. porterjw

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    It's all good. Just meant that an 8600k is overkill for light gaming - a lower-end setup would suffice fine, even it it was previous gen. With the two largest discounted shopping days of the year coming up, you'd be surprised what you can find.

    Intel to AMD would require a MoBo change as well, which could possibly be a monetary wash if one is $x cheaper, but the other is $x higher.

    @OP, the best way to figure builds like this out is to give a min/max budget with an ideal amount (ie: $900-$1100, but would prefer as close to $1000 as possible). That way we're looking at specific core parts (CPU, MoBo) with certain other stuff (HSF, case) adjusted to suit.
     
  6. jd10013

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    probably just go prebuilt again. too hard to tell if this stuff is compatible, how it will perform etc. the one advantage with the prebuilts is you just take them out of the box and plug em in. 3 or 4 years and wash rinse repeat. dell tends to run nice black friday sales too :) but thanks for the help guys.
     
  7. OmniDyne

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    It's really not. Several users gave you parts for a build that gave you exactly what you wanted/ needed. You refuse to purchase a processor because of brand (AMD vs Intel) which isn't a practical way to build a computer.

    Yes, and the Dell you chose can't even operate the processor to its full potential, was severely overpriced, and made no sense (pairing a $320 processor with a $150 graphics card).

    Maybe you'll find a decent pre-built on Black Friday, but you always get screwed on those in some way.
     
  8. Shlouski

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    A prebuilds advantage is simply that you dont need to build them and that's about it, I frequently find that they are unbalanced, dont make any sense and are overpriced. If you want to find pc that fits your needs at the best price possible, then you have to get a custom built.

    Every manufacturer in the world has had a customer who has had bad experiences with their products, so by your logic you should never buy anything again. To get an accurate picture of a products overall quality then you need to look at statistical data and remember that all companies no matter who they are have made great and terrible products, so it is also product dependant rather than just manufacturer. My personal experiences tell me that corsair make the worst Psu's, but this is simply not true, I was just unlucky. You are also not taking into account the fact that things can change, a restaurant close to me made terrible food, but now they have a new cook and now the food is great.
     
  9. jd10013

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    no, what I wanted was an intel build. but you did offer advice (that I went with) on that, so thank you.


    I won't dispute they are inferior to something you build, but ive never had a problem with them aside from the inspiron line.



    I stated before, I've had AMD systems fail, never had an Intel system give me problems. saving 30, 40, even 50 dollars on a processor isn't that big a deal to me.


    anyhow,
    I decided to build anyway. went over to the forums at pcpartpicker.com, tbh, they're much more helpful. everyone here is just pimping AMD products, hard to just get an opinion or feedback that doesn't' involve AMD. anyhow, this is what's ordered, I'm sure I'll show up within the next 10 days with assembly questions, lol
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fNgtbX
     
  10. _Kyle_

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    We tried to be helpful, however you completely ignored good advice. There is good reason to us using Ryzen. I am not an AMD fanboy, before Ryzen I would have went with Intel, but because Ryzen is generally superior, I went with that instead. You also got plenty opinions. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're not an opinion. You posting "they're much more helpful" is frustrating as well. It could be true, but that's just asinine to come back here to say that. Anyways, we tried to be helpful, and we gave opinions.
     
  11. jd10013

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    some did, some didn't. maybe "more helpful" wasn't the best way to put it, but after 2 pages here I was really no closer to a parts list, or sure of what I was doing. no one really offered anything but AMD is cheaper and better than Intel, despite the fact I stated I had no intention of using AMD. Only Omnidine was willing to offer constructive advice on that, which I ultimately took and went with the 8400. anyhow, this is a good site and I have got lots of good advice on cards PSUs and other stuff here. this thread really isn't indicative of the site, but boy, there is definitely a cult of AMD going on here.

    and to be fair, I took your advice on the SSD, thank you for that.
     
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  12. OmniDyne

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    How much did the 8400 cost you?
     
  13. jd10013

    jd10013 Member

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    $220. I know it's a little more than the comparable Ryzen, but I'm not sweating <$50
     
  14. _Kyle_

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  15. OmniDyne

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    My point was that the 2600X absolutely outperforms the 8400 for cheaper. I own the 8400, but it was way cheaper when I bought it and there's no reason to pay more for less. My objective was to give you the best bang for your buck, and the 8400 at $220 is almost $70 over true worth.

    A processor is a processor. Intel doesn't produce higher quality chips over AMD, and vice versa.

    But I hope everything goes well, and if you need help with the build, definitely let us know.
     
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  16. jd10013

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    yea, I know. but come on man, that's a $4 price difference, lol. (jk) and changing motherboards could eat that up. the heart of it was that I've never had problems with Intel as where with AMD I have. though I did have a system with a core 2 duo years ago that was very disappointing I tend to stick with what works.
    and yea, I'm sure I'll need some help with putting it together. I've read the guide here, and that's very helpful, but I'm sure cause of differences in cases and stuff that I'll need a little help
     
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  17. _Kyle_

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    Yeah, I guess I was a bit pushy with Ryzen, lol.
     
  18. Darren

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    Meh. If people don't want to take better advice that's on them not you. PCPartPicker forum is likely armed with people that just crank out builds since that's all the website is designed for. A lot of us here have more experience than just that and know hardware on a bit more of an intimate scale. It's not hard to punch some stuff in that's compatible, advice on what is actually ideal is what we're here for.

    There's a reason AMD has been outselling Intel 2:1 lately, some people just can't shake the dark years of AMD, which I somewhat understand even if I disagree with that mentality. Intel mindshare is strong.
     
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  19. _Kyle_

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    I used to be quite active on the PCPP forums when I was like 12 or something. My friend posted a thread asking for a good budget build and I put like a $50000+ part list on there. Then I got banned lol. (I trolled occasionally. I was 12 though.) I made a new account and behaved, but they found out and IP banned me, so RIP. I did help quite a lot though, and like you said, it was just chugging out lists.

    As you can see, I'm no longer a troll. :p I've matured... kind of.
     
  20. jd10013

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    The difference, I think, is over there I put a build together and asked for advice and opinions, and got it. Some "you should try this for X reason", some "go with this item instead of that for this reason", and some "you dont really need that". And opinions and advise was offered on everything Nobody was hung up on the processor like here. Someone even pointed out the OEM version of windows I chose would limit it to just the MB I first installed on.
    Here, it was more (not entirely) that system is trash, or Intel sucks. Fair enough, but not what I was looking for.
    As for Intel vs and, it's a lot subjective. Can find plenty of Intel people. And sales are pretty meaningless, especially when one does it through price point. GM outsells Honda 2:1, but I hardly consider it a superior product they produce.

    Just my 2 cents.
     

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