First PC Build & Over Budget----NEED HELP

Discussion in 'Desktop Computers' started by Newfiestang50, Nov 29, 2016.

  1. AMD_man

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    I said that SSD was too much. Not that an SSD is too much. But he seems to like it, so why not wait? Why would he have to be stuck with an unit he doesn't like when he can wait? What's the LOL part? I seem to have missed it.
     
  2. spirit

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    12 days to go... why would you buy the parts for this PC, build it, set it all up on a hard drive and then have to repeat the process a few days later? If it was going to be a few weeks or a few months I'd understand, but even just installing Windows and other programs you want to to use before you even get to things like games and OS configuration seems a waste of time given that if you just waited a few days you could just install it and set it all up once on the SSD.
     
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  3. Laquer Head

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    The LOL part is me laughing at you flip-flopping on things you said.

    Don't be giving advice if you don't know what your talking about..you've done this a few times and then pretended like it didn't happen.
     
  4. Laquer Head

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    Not only that but, there is a good possibility the OP has never done this, and its just one more thing to confuse and agitate a first time builder.
     
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  5. spirit

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    On this occasion it just makes so much more sense to wait for a few days. It's not even like any other hardware is going to drastically change in that time and obsolete this build, he is literally just waiting for an SSD to be launched.
     
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  6. Laquer Head

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    THIS^^

    Also, there are combo deals and rebates all the time, who knows..you wait 2-3 weeks and save money on some other component..
     
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  7. spirit

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    I might be looking at the wrong model, but it looks like I can get it for £129 in the UK from December 7th: https://www.novatech.co.uk/products...nal/ssdsolidstate/pciexpress/mz-v6e250bw.html

    It's available to pre-order for £140 from Overclockers: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sams...-3.0-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-hd-22g-sa.html

    Reviews from November are saying it's already available: http://techreport.com/review/30993/samsung-960-evo-ssd-reviewed

    Sounds to me like it has been released, but is in high demand (not surprised! 250GB NVMe SSD for £129!!??) so stock may be limited at the moment OR it is due to be here soon if Novatech are saying they'll have it from the 7th. Newegg says they'll have it on the 13th.
     
  8. AMD_man

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  9. Newfiestang50

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    All good comments folks, but one statement above stands out and that is I dont want to be installing all this stuff twice.

    So what will be the comparable unit to the 950PRO 256 GB. Is it the 960EVO?
     
  10. AMD_man

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    The SM951, but it seems to be sold out all over. The PM961 too.
     
  11. Newfiestang50

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    Guys, just reading up on these SSD's and noticed that the MB must support NVMe interface, does the Asus Z170-E that was chosen in this build support that ?
     
  12. AMD_man

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    If it didn´t I´m pretty sure PCPartpicker wouldn´t let you choose the drive in your build. Besides, in the official page it does say it has "32Gb/s M.2 x 4 support", which is, correct me if I´m wrong, the interface needed for the NVMe products.
     
  13. Laquer Head

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    Yes it does..

    Also, I encourage you to, if you havent already, go to ASUS Z170-E page and check out the specs, compatibility info etc. It will aid you in getting used to the board and what everything is.

    You'll also want to flash the motherboard BIOS using the most current downloadable file on the same site. Looks to be version#2202 released September 26, 2016 (Don't worry bout this now, we can help you well after the machine is built and you've had a chance to use it a bit)
     
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  14. Intel_man

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    Only if the RAM hasn't been tested to run above 2133mhz. Hence why there's ram sold from speeds as low as 2133 and all the way to 3200+. RAM manufacturers test them to see what they can brand them as and sell them at a slight premium for the extra speed.
    Because you didn't do your research.
    It's really not worth mentioning. If the RAM's rated speed cannot be maintained, you can most definitely RMA either the RAM or motherboard depending on which one is faulty. RAM almost always carries lifetime warranty, so if the case is actually not being able to get to the RAM's rated speeds, I'd RMA the RAM first and see if it's the problem before trying to replace the motherboard.

    If you think Intel doesn't take into consideration higher speeds above the quoted values on their processor ark pages, then you're 110% wrong.

    Intel even made it easier for people to overclock their RAM (so long as their chipset supports the option) via XMP.
    http://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html
     
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  15. Intel_man

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    I don't know if you're playing dumb to frustrate people or just dumb in general, but what you're looking at is the USA Intel page that has that asterisk for liability reasons. The Canadian webpage does not include that asterisk because well... we aren't as sue happy as the states. FYI, the link I provided is a .ca ended page.So yes, I did scroll down to the end of the page.

    Have you ever actually used XMP? Unless your motherboard can't for some reason interpret the XMP values properly into their respective adjustments in the BIOS, you're almost always going to have that ram working at the spec the XMP shows. Instability due to XMP is not because of above specified clock speed as listed by Intel, but rather by
    • Inappropriate configuration by the bios
    • faulty hardware in the first place.
    Have you ever for a second think how that warranty works on the processor? Intel for legal reasons write that if you overclock your processor, you void you warranty. Let's step back for a moment here and see how they're going to find out you "overclocked". Well, unless you're stupid and overvolted the bajeeberz out of the processor, way above regular operating ranges, then well yeah, Intel will find out with a visual inspection. But if you aren't stupid and just overclocked within reasonable ranges and not bumped your voltage to stupid values, then that overclock isn't really detectable.

    If you haven't figured it out yet, you don't go above the specified voltage for the ram to get the overclocked speeds. DDR4-3000 runs at 1.35V. Just like DDR4-2133 runs at 1.35V.

    You also use their wording
    as if it's 100% going to cause instability. Perhaps look up the definition of "may".

    I've had my Core i7 920 for 6 years (I recently swapped to the W3690), consistently pushed to 4.0ghz (stock is @2.6) for the 6 years. I've also had the ram bumped to 1600 when the processor's supported default is 800/1066. A stick of RAM failed on me half a year ago... guess how that was sorted out? RMA'd with Corsair and got a new set within 3 days. If you consider that "instability" and reduced useful life of other system components... sure. But that's really only on the RAM side. The IMC isn't going to fail on you for that. The robustness of the IMC is primarily due to the silicon lottery. Some IMCs of the same model processor can support higher overclocks than others, but in the skylake's k-series chips, those are well above the 3000mhz mark. Meaningless ceilings for most people as there's not a lot of RAM kits above 3000.

    If you still feel that going above 2133mhz spec for DDR4 is going to cause instability, then feel free on being wrong.
     
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  17. Newfiestang50

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    What I meant above is what new model is the replacement for the outgoing 950PRO.
     
  18. Laquer Head

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    The 960PRO & 960EVO are the successors. They will each be available in 3 or 4 different capacities
     
  19. Newfiestang50

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    Folks, on a slightly different topic but has anyone ever used the following website to purchase software and OS's. Apparently they are legit which is why I am asking here.

    https://www.kinguin.net/
     
  20. Laquer Head

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    Yes, and many people do!
     

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