First PC Build & Over Budget----NEED HELP

johnb35

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Hardly invalid. "A lot of people did it and it worked for them" is not enough for me. Maybe he felt the same way. Shouldn´t he know all the facts before choosing? Plus I mentioned there are people who say it doesn´t happen...
I've never heard or seen this happen and I've been working on computers for 20 years. It MAY happen in what 1 in 100, 1 in 1000? You definitely don't want to go higher then the supported ram for OEM machines but for retail motherboards that support the faster ram, why not? Faster ram helps if you only use the onboard video too.
 
Well it looks like the Samsung 950 Pro is on backorder everywhere, can this be installed after or is it better to wait until I can get it to complete the build.....assuming I have all the other components.
 

Laquer Head

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Well it looks like the Samsung 950 Pro is on backorder everywhere, can this be installed after or is it better to wait until I can get it to complete the build.....assuming I have all the other components.
The idea of getting the 950 would be to install it and utilize its speed and performance for your Windows install. Without it, you would be waiting and doing anything else with the 950 (using it as just storage for example) doesn't make sense..then your really paying for a premium solution and using it for the wrong purpose.

The reason its out of stock is due to the imminent release of its successor the 960PRO & 960EVO. The newer devices will be faster but they will most likely carry a premium price tag at launch (I believe Dec 13 is release for some variants and Jan 2 for the remainder)

You can do a couple of things, wait and see what launch prices are on the 960, or buy a cheaper/slower but still decent 2.5" SSD (example Samsung 850EVO 2.5") or the 850EVO sata based M.2 we discussed a few pages ago.

I see the 950PRO is available in the 512GB variant but they are over $400
 
The idea of getting the 950 would be to install it and utilize its speed and performance for your Windows install. Without it, you would be waiting and doing anything else with the 950 (using it as just storage for example) doesn't make sense..then your really paying for a premium solution and using it for the wrong purpose.
Ok now I'm confused, which isn't difficult to do when talking about this stuff. Are you saying that this SSD is only used for installing Windows? I was assuming this would add alot faster performance for various tasks when using the PC daily.
 

AMD_man

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You can just install the OS on the HDD and then move it to the SSD once you can buy it. The SSD can be used for anything. It's best used to install the OS so that boot times are shorter. You can do with just the HDD. It's not a big deal. I'm currently using just an HDD for everything.
 

Laquer Head

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Ok now I'm confused, which isn't difficult to do when talking about this stuff. Are you saying that this SSD is only used for installing Windows? I was assuming this would add alot faster performance for various tasks when using the PC daily.
SSD are typically used for Windows, but thats were everything is..the c drive.. programs, etc.. You can install onto the standard HDD, but the SSD is ideal because its faster.
 
You can just install the OS on the HDD and then move it to the SSD once you can buy it. The SSD can be used for anything. It's best used to install the OS so that boot times are shorter. You can do with just the HDD. It's not a big deal. I'm currently using just an HDD for everything.
Ok...that makes a little more sense. So can a user install other software such as MS Office for example to this drive as well. If so that leads to my next question, how much space will Windows 10 take up, if it pretty much fills the 256GB 950 Pro (which is sold out) maybe I should consider the 512 GB version.........which will really blow my budget, and probably cause my divorce...lol.
 

Laquer Head

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Ok...that makes a little more sense. So can a user install other software such as MS Office for example to this drive as well. If so that leads to my next question, how much space will Windows 10 take up, if it pretty much fills the 256GB 950 Pro (which is sold out) maybe I should consider the 512 GB version.........which will really blow my budget, and probably cause my divorce...lol.
Windows 10 takes like 20-30GB if that.. a 240/250/256 GB sized SSD is the norm for a windows boot disc.. You can use smaller (not recommended) or larger, but typcially people use a 240/250/or 256GB sized device.
 

Laquer Head

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How about using just a SSD such as below....is that even possible.

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX62802
Yes it will work but those ones are slow... they are same read/write speeds as any run of the mill Sata3 2.5" SSD. I wouldn't be paying $300+ for that drive, regardless of the capacity.

The 950PRO uses pcie lanes and nvme technology... its completely different than that sata m.2 one you linked to.
 
Yes it will work but those ones are slow... they are same read/write speeds as any run of the mill Sata3 2.5" SSD. I wouldn't be paying $300+ for that drive, regardless of the capacity.

The 950PRO uses pcie lanes and nvme technology... its completely different than that sata m.2 one you linked to.
OK understood.

Man I missed the boat on the 950Pro. It does look like the MX store in Winnipeg has two left but they it doesn't appear they can be purchased online. I've sent them an email but no response. I wonder can i buy this in the US somewhere. A seller on ebay in the US has one but only taking bids......that will probably go for twice what its worth.
 

Laquer Head

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OK understood.

Man I missed the boat on the 950Pro. It does look like the MX store in Winnipeg has two left but they it doesn't appear they can be purchased online. I've sent them an email but no response. I wonder can i buy this in the US somewhere. A seller on ebay in the US has one but only taking bids......that will probably go for twice what its worth.
Wait for an email back they might do a sale for you, even if its not at the online store. (For reference, the Memory Express location in NE Calgary serves as a brick and mortar store, but its also their depot for shipping stuff so its considered the online store)

DONT BUY ON EBAY....screw EBAY..I hate ebay </rant>
 
Wait for an email back they might do a sale for you, even if its not at the online store. (For reference, the Memory Express location in NE Calgary serves as a brick and mortar store, but its also their depot for shipping stuff so its considered the online store)

DONT BUY ON EBAY....screw EBAY..I hate ebay </rant>
Ya i wait....if not its decision time on the 512 GB one I guess.....and there are only two of those left in Canada that I can see.

Ya not a big fan of ebay either but I have bought alot of stuff one there all the same.
 

Laquer Head

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Ya i wait....if not its decision time on the 512 GB one I guess.....and there are only two of those left in Canada that I can see.

Ya not a big fan of ebay either but I have bought alot of stuff one there all the same.
As I mentioned earlier, the shortage is clearly due to the imminent release of the 960PRO & 960EVO. While you can buy everything now and install to the HDD, if your gonna end up having to redo it shortly anyhow, once you get a 950/960 etc.. I'd say waiting makes most sense.
 
As I mentioned earlier, the shortage is clearly due to the imminent release of the 960PRO & 960EVO. While you can buy everything now and install to the HDD, if your gonna end up having to redo it shortly anyhow, once you get a 950/960 etc.. I'd say waiting makes most sense.
Ya true however the new 960 256GB version will probably cost more than the 950 512GB units still available.

Will a unit in Australia work, this seller has two left.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Samsung-950-...776037?hash=item3d1b2a8365:g:zocAAOSwB09YQGRd
 

Laquer Head

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It will but do you really want to pay $19 for shipping? I ask cause yesterday you were concerned over the same amount.
 
It will but do you really want to pay $19 for shipping? I ask cause yesterday you were concerned over the same amount.
Oh i dont want to pay the $19 for shipping but the alternative is not having it at all or pay alot more the 512GB......or maybe even more for the new 960's
 

Laquer Head

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Oh i dont want to pay the $19 for shipping but the alternative is not having it at all or pay alot more the 512GB......or maybe even more for the new 960's
The 250GB version of the 960EVO looks like its gonna release on 12/13/2016 and its listed at $129.99 USD so it'll be over $200 CDN, but not that bad considering exchange and inflation for Canadian market.,.
 

AMD_man

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I would just wait. Wether it's for the release of the new line, or for the 950 to be available. Either option sounds great compared to the alternative of getting a slower SSD. The HDD will do ok until you get the SSD. I'm on a 7 year old 16Mb cache Western Digital, and it isn't the end of the world.
 

Laquer Head

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I would just wait. Wether it's for the release of the new line, or for the 950 to be available. Either option sounds great compared to the alternative of getting a slower SSD. The HDD will do ok until you get the SSD. I'm on a 7 year old 16Mb cache Western Digital, and it isn't the end of the world.
This makes no sense, why would he want to get everything, except the main SSD, load up everything onto the HDD and then have to migrate everything over a few weeks, or less later.

Plus, weren't you saying less than 24 hours ago that this was overkill or not necessary for his build?? LOL You didn't even understand the difference between sata M.2 and PCIE M.2 LOL
 
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