hey!, which cpu should i get?

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hey i want to kinda upgrade my CPU but im still kinda nooby with computer, im wondering which CPU i should get for my upgrade:

1) CPU/Processors - AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Dual Core Socket AM2 2.6GHz - ALTHONX2AM2/5200

site: http://www.liata.com/scrItem.asp?product_subtypes_id=693&product_types_id=19&product_id=7342

or

2) AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Processor ADO5200IAA5DO - 2.70GHz, Socket AM2, 1MB Cache, 1000MHz (2000 MT/s) FSB, Brisbane, Dual-Core, OEM

site: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4690900&CatId=2328

*note* this one is OEM package, with no fan or heat sink gotta buy it separately

which one should i get out of those two? i realize that the second choice are compatible with some new motherboard and the first choice doesn't (l2 cache, also i might buy a new motherboard if that is the problem to my pc)

PC Spec ATM:

motherboard: asus m3a
CPU: amd athlon 64 x2 4000+
ram: patriot ddr2 1gb (2 sticks)
hdd: western digital 16mb buffer 250gb
gfx: dual screen nvidia geforce 8400 gs
power: 500W deer
 
Forget both of those and get a 7850 which is based on Phenom architecture, it's a lot better than those other two for pretty much the same price-

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Athlon-X2-P...5351?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item3effbddd27


Just make sure you have the latest Bios update, which is 1206-

(select Vista 64 bit for your OS, vista is same as win7)

http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=M3A&product=1


Also, an 8400gs is very weak, an upgrade there would be in order to play any kind of decent game.
 
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87dtna said:
Forget both of those and get a 7850 which is based on Phenom architecture, it's a lot better than those other two for pretty much the same price-

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Athlon-X2-P...5351?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item3effbddd27


Just make sure you have the latest Bios update, which is 1206-

(select Vista 64 bit for your OS, vista is same as win7)

http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=M3A&product=1


Also, an 8400gs is very weak, an upgrade there would be in order to play any kind of decent game.
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thanks! ill see if there any of those @ my local computer store, though i dont wanna wait for shipping with ebay.

also i am also upgrading my video card, but would u recommoned me to get the geforce 9500 GT 1gb ddr2?
 
No, atleast a 9600gt. A 9500gt is pretty crappy. An 8800 or 9800gt is good too (8800gt is the exact same thing as a 9800gt).

What power supply do you have though? And what resolution monitor are you running?
 
87dtna said:
No, atleast a 9600gt. A 9500gt is pretty crappy. An 8800 or 9800gt is good too (8800gt is the exact same thing as a 9800gt).

What power supply do you have though? And what resolution monitor are you running?
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the power supply came with the case i bought. on the sticker of the PSU it says "500w max" and also company name "DEER" thats all. i forogt my resoultion cuz my Gfx card kinda blew up -.- though i also i found another gfx, the 9600 GSO 768mb DDR2 should i get that instead?
 
Yeah the 9600gso is ok. How much was it though?


And also can you look on the power supply's sticker and see what kind of amperage is on the 12v rail? Or just take a pic of the sticker that'd be cool too.
 
geforce 9600 GSO was only $60 thats with mail in rebate.

though i cant seem to take a picture of my PSU due to my camera (its like 5 year old with crappy MP and when i take a pic u cant really see anything)

but tell me straight up what watt/volt u need from my power supply and ill tell u

if i was to buy a new PSu which is a good brand?
 
See the +12v1 and +12v2, they are at 15a and 16a. Thats the one we look at the most.

That PSU will be fine for a 9600gso no problem.
 
Sure no problem, thats what we're here for. See a super cheap junk 500w power supply would probably only have like a single 18a rail. Yours has two for a combined 31a, so it's actually not horrible. Probably close to the equivalent of what a good brand quality 400w PSU can handle.
 
Pretty much a lowend cheap power supply. Only has 342 Watts on the 12V rail with a combined of 28 amps. And thats probably its Max. Its not a true dual rail so you cant just add the rails up. A fire cracker with a short fuse. I would replace it as soon as you could.
 
That makes no sense, if it's not a true dual rail that means it's a single divided into two which would be better in the case of a cheap PSU. And BTW, go back to math class ;)

The first rail at 15a is most likely for the motherboard 24 pin connector, so the second is for the peripherals. A 9600GSO has a TDP of 84w, and he has 192w for that rail. Yeah no problem there the card doesn't even come close to using half. And hard drives use like 5-10w, DVD player 5-10w, etc. Adding everything up he has probably equals 50% load on that second ''rail''. And the TDP is the MAX the card will do, 99% of the time it will never see 84w.


Is it a cheap PSU? Sure. Is it the worst PSU out there that will explode with the super light load of a 9600gso? Not even close. Will it provide the power he needs? Absolutely.
 
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You dont have a clue about power supplies. I'm not even going to explain it to you. You should not give advice about power supplies. Its over rated and a piece of junk.
 
It seems you don't have a clue about how much wattage a component actually pulls.

And thats really funny coming from someone who can't add 15 and 16 together.

Edit- And I hardly think a power supply is overrated to the point where HALF load makes it pop. Give me a break.
 
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This is what I'm talking about. Only on a (TRUE) dual rail you add them together. This one is not! You get that, its not a true dual rail.

The listed amps on the rails are (only) the max any one rail can pull. There is only 342 watts on the 12V rail with a combined amps of 28.

If one rail is pulling its max, say the 16 amp rail. It only leaves 12 amps for the other rail.

Plus its a piece of junk and thats it max ratings for about 4 seconds till it cuts out or blows.
 
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This is what I'm talking about. Only on a (TRUE) dual rail you add them together. This one is not! You get that, its not a true dual rail.

The listed amps on the rails are (only) the max any one rail can pull. There is only 342 watts on the 12V rail with a combined amps of 28.

If one rail is pulling its max, say the 16 amp rail. It only leaves 12 amps for the other rail.

Plus its a piece of junk and thats it max ratings for about 4 seconds till it cuts out or blows.
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Yeah....and? I'd say it slower for you but this is the internet. I was only talking about the second rail alone when I said 50% load. And I still don't understand how you are getting 28a, so explain that one please. Apparently you weren't getting all my math interjections there.

When I broke down the wattage I was only doing the second rail. The first rail will be for the 24 pin motherboard connector for the CPU power and whatever else. Thats not the one in question here. The second, is for peripherals. The second rail, ALONE, has 192 watts available to it. The TDP on a 9600GSO is 84 watts, that LEAVES 108 watts for a hard drive and DVD burner, so yeah I think we're covered. Second rail, not even 50% usage at the MAX tdp of the card. As I already said, there's no way a PSU could fry with only 1/2 load, that'd be insane.
 
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