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87dtna said:
Actually it is :eek:
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Do you have any specific threads or articles? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just never saw any on the forums I'm on. Many people on OCN are still suggesting x64 if you plan on using over 4GB of RAM, and no one seems to mention that you can't overclock as high.
 
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Do you have any specific threads or articles? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just never saw any on the forums I'm on. Many people on OCN are still suggesting x64 if you plan on using over 4GB of RAM, and no one seems to mention that you can't overclock as high.
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"Many people on ocn" are idiot's that think more ram = more performance and posting useless replies = rep :rolleyes: http://tinyurl.com/ybhtsp2
Try asking some good overclockers what os they are using and not just a few amd trolls on ocn you may get a realistic answer ;)
You can throw as much cooling as you want at it in a 64bit os and you will still struggle to top 4.2
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FYI spi is meant to be run as fast as the system can go without crashing, not at your stable settings.
 
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El Gappo said:
Yourdoinitwrong
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This.

A 64 bit operating system offers pretty much no performance increase over a 32 bit OS.

The only difference I can find is the amount of memory it can register.

I moved from a 64 bit OS (Vista) to XP Home for a while a few months ago on another rig, and I didn't notice any performance decrease or anything.

Also, you've got more incentive than anyone else to use a 32 bit OS. The 955 C3s are badass.
 
meticadpa said:
This.

A 64 bit operating system offers pretty much no performance increase over a 32 bit OS.

The only difference I can find is the amount of memory it can register.

I moved from a 64 bit OS (Vista) to XP Home for a while a few months ago on another rig, and I didn't notice any performance decrease or anything.

Also, you've got more incentive than anyone else to use a 32 bit OS. The 955 C3s are badass.
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That is just an effect of Windows 64 bit OS's, check out here for details on actual improvements: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit
 
32bit OS will overclock a CPU better because it puts less stress on the CPU. Modern CPU's are all 64 bit, so using a 32 bit OS doesn't utilize the entire bit range of the CPU.
 
87dtna said:
32bit OS will overclock a CPU better because it puts less stress on the CPU.
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This does not speak true regarding all modern processors. Phenom II's do favor better in a 32bit environment vs. a 64bit. However, the c3 revisions have been tweaked to reduce this effect. Although, it's still there, it does not speak true for intel processors.

Intel processors favor well going from vista/win7 to xp. For example, i7's generally are faster within the xp environment clock per clock, whilst also being able to go slightly higher in frequency. I7's are identical in overclockability when compared within a 32bit os and a 64bit os. Conversely, AMD phenom II's don't take the hit in performance like intel's do going from xp to vista/win7.

Now that we have that sorted out, you can see the flaws in your relatively uninformed post.
 
meticadpa said:
Intel processors favor well going from vista/win7 to xp. For example, i7's generally are faster within the xp environment clock per clock, whilst also being able to go slightly higher in frequency. I7's are identical in overclockability when compared within a 32bit os and a 64bit os. Conversely, AMD phenom II's don't take the hit in performance like intel's do going from xp to vista/win7.
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True, probably because Windows XP is far less CPU intensive then Vista/Windows 7, especially when you have all the special effects enabled.
 
meticadpa said:
Phenom II's do favor better in a 32bit environment vs. a 64bit.
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meticadpa said:
AMD phenom II's don't take the hit in performance like intel's do going from xp to vista/win7.
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meticadpa said:
Now that we have that sorted out, you can see the flaws in your relatively uninformed post.
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I see a larger flaw in your post there buddy ;)


So whats your proof anyway? Why are I7's the only CPU that will overclock equally? What about the I5 750? Same as an I7 860 but no HT.

Yeah there's no flaws it what you said at all :rolleyes:
 
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87dtna said:
I see a larger flaw in your post there buddy ;)


So whats your proof anyway? Why are I7's the only CPU that will overclock equally? What about the I5 750? Same as an I7 860 but no HT.

Yeah there's no flaws it what you said at all :rolleyes:
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My proof? Maybe it be the THOUSANDS of benches between intel and amd platforms within xp, vista, and windows 7 that quantifies my statements. A simple 3dmark06 cpu test validates this statement all to hell. There's massive cpu performance loss with intel running this same test within windows 7 or vista. How about pi? Sure, this phenomenon is also true. PI's are best ran in xp with intels as vista and windows 7 does impact the speed. However, 32bit and 64bit do NOT.

However, we aren't comparing overclocking ability between intel product derivatives or with ht enabled or disabled. We are talking about overclocking between 32bit and 64bit computing environments. There has been ZERO substantial effect going from 32bit to 64bit in overclocking ability. Again, if you want to maximize your cpu potential you will need to do your benching within xp on intel hardware. The only exceptions to this rule is if you are running more than two graphics cards or your benchmark requires vista or windows 7.

Now on the AMD side, I don't think this needs much clarification as its undoubtedly inherent that they do lose ability in the differing bit entourages. The c3 revisions were released to combat this issue, and from my experience from using them they have succeeded. Unfortunately, there is still a slight loss in ability but it isn't totally crippled like some of the first newer c2 revisions.

Again, my experience with literally thousands of benches and witness to other benches solidifies these facts. Quit trying to dispute everything I say b/c I'm the new guy here. Your generic statement is the most foul, asinine, and unrealistic generalization regarding cpu performance between operating systems and bitting environments that I've ever had the displeasure of reading.
 
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Mr.Corruption said:
Wat?


He made an informed post filled with facts and information and thats all you can respond with?
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Are you being sarcastic? :confused:

He mostly just repeated his first post, and really the only thing he keeps saying over and over again is about these ''thousands'' of benches he's seen.

There's so many contradictions in what he says I don't know where to start.

I'd still like to know WHY the I7 is the ''only intel CPU not affected'' by 64 bit.
 
87dtna said:
Are you being sarcastic? :confused:

He mostly just repeated his first post, and really the only thing he keeps saying over and over again is about these ''thousands'' of benches he's seen.

There's so many contradictions in what he says I don't know where to start.

I'd still like to know WHY the I7 is the ''only intel CPU not affected'' by 64 bit.
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How about with some proof since you are the one trying to prove it doesn't exist. This is going to be quite funny. Good luck searching. You're going to need it on this one.
 
meticadpa said:
How about with some proof since you are the one trying to prove it doesn't exist. This is going to be quite funny. Good luck searching. You're going to need it on this one.
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Whaaat? You are the one that entered this thread stating the opposite of what everyone else has thought. It's you who needs to provide the proof.

Edit- and you STILL have not answered my question.
 
87dtna said:
Whaaat? You are the one that entered this thread stating the opposite of what everyone else has thought. It's you who needs to provide the proof.

Edit- and you STILL have not answered my question.
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A quick look on hwbot.org and it would rock your uninformed world.
 
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