Mac?

I'd go Mac... I don't use it on a regular basis (as it's not compatible with my rig. Since I hate Windows I usually use Ubuntu Linux.) Mac is awesome! Very secure, easy to use, fast, with a cool looking clean interface. Leopard is REALLY cool. :cool:
 
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I own a thinkpad, a sony vaio, and a macbook pro.

My Vaio costed $1200, macbook pro costed double that and the Vaio will outperform it in just about every way. I would not go for a mac, as others have mentioned it is simple marketing strategy that leads you to believe you will gain some sort of experience that is missing from windows. Macs are not susceptible to as many malicious softwares as Windows, but that's merely because of the hundreds of millions of Windows machines out there.
I've owned multiple macs and windows machines. The cons of the mac outweigh the pros by a landslide. Get yourself a nice thinkpad, or a nice vaio and you will be sit.
 
mac....humm

well, if your looking for something that will last you forever,.. a computer that you wont buy accessories for or paying a bit more for, a macs for you.
when we speak of APPLE, its either pay a lot for a stable, overestimated machine, or pay alot more for a stable, fine peice of machinery that will cost you an arm and a leg to get anything else FOR it... and if you want writing programs, or games...or other software that has nothing to do with multimedia (since macs reign in that category), then get a PC....
PC fills in all the other blanks..... they have a range of pretty much everything...alot of selection.
 
BiscuitAdvisory said:
well, if your looking for something that will last you forever,.. a computer that you wont buy accessories for or paying a bit more for, a macs for you.
when we speak of APPLE, its either pay a lot for a stable, overestimated machine, or pay alot more for a stable, fine peice of machinery that will cost you an arm and a leg to get anything else FOR it... and if you want writing programs, or games...or other software that has nothing to do with multimedia (since macs reign in that category), then get a PC....
PC fills in all the other blanks..... they have a range of pretty much everything...alot of selection.
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Where is your evidence that macbooks last longer?
 
I would put sony or lenovo's engineering up against apples anyday of the week. Have you ever even opened up an apple machine? It's not pretty. sub-par engineering to many PC brands, especially Sony who make great products across the board.
 
For a good laptop i would go for HP or a mac... i find apple are good with some of their things.

I love some of the apple products!!! :):):) :D:D:D
 
If you can spend above $2200, you can get a good mac laptop. It will not be the same as a pc for the price. I have compared this with a customized dell laptop and macbook. In order to get the nvidia 8600 graphics card, you need to spend $1999 on a macbook pro versus a $1150 dell xps notebook. Aside from the price difference, macs are known to get good battery life. If you want good battery life, can pay a somewhat high price, and want to stand out from the crowd, the mac will be a good choice for you. Don't listen to people who say they want a mac because vista is "bad". You can easily install xp if vista is "bad". You should read in depth reviews before making assumptions about a whole operating system. In terms of software and hardware there is no difference between a mac and a windows laptop. You can get better graphics cards, processors, ect. in a pc for a generally lower price if you shop around.
 
`PaWz said:
Yes, let's all spend hundreds of dollars extra on a laptop because it looks pretty and gives you absolutely nothing else.
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I did (in my previous post) imply that you might want to go for mac "if money is not a problem". For everyday users/us who don't own the world, of course, I think there's not much point in wasting money for a laptop with a glowing apple.

The backlit apple, btw, when you actually think about it, is pretty funny... what would you say if you saw me walking around with a laptop that's got a glowing banana or strawberry sticker on it? :P

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There's nothing that Mac OS has that XP or Vista can't do.
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Macs have a backlit keyboard and other little+nice features, IMO not worth the extra money you have to put in a macbook, but thenagain, if you have all the money in the world, why wouldn't you just go for it? I was actually referring to the piece of hardware, not OS... I have to agree that OSX can't do anything windows/linux can't.
 
You can get a led screen in the dell xps for $1200.. What's this about a backlit keyboard? The alienware m15x has that plus it lights up on the touchpad and screen. What's the point of getting a mac if you have a lot of money? A fully tricked out macbook still won't beat an alienware or dell gaming computer or even a thinkpad or panasonic for toughness.
 
*sigh* I tried to resist posting on this thread, but there is just too much ignorance and misinformation I could not resist.

Are there any viruses for OS X?

NO, there are NO known viruses in the wild for OS X at all. Yes, hackers are trying to exploit it because they can get the bragging rights for the first wide spread virus. It has nothing to do with market share at this point because there are plenty of hackers who also hate apple and think they are arrogant, after all Apple is a large company just like Microsoft, Dell, IBM, so on and so forth. It has to do with Unix POSIX permissions that would not allow anything to run automatically with out authentication, why do you think Vista finally started creating an Admin and non admin accounts? It is because it is a security liability.

Are Macs over priced?

No, not at all. When you go to a Porsche dealer, you pay Porsche prices. They are sleek (1" thick) and have features no other laptop has like Ambient light senor, sudden motion sensor, FW800, ABGN wireless, blue tooth, gigabit ethernet, camera, 2gigs of ram standard (on the pro laptops), back lit keyboard, so on and so forth, and that is just the hardware. Out of the box they can also record and master digital audio, author DVDs, edit video, manage and maintain all your digital pictures. Out of the box the Mac offers way more features than any PC, and it is all streamlined and native. WMP still can't even play a DVD out of the box with out some codec you need to download. You get what you pay for period. Sure there could be a Ford car that has similar specs to a Porsche, but it will not have all those features a Porsche has. Can your 1200 dollar PC laptop which is similar spec'd to a 1999 dollar macbook pro do everything the macbook pro can out of the box? No, it can't and by the time you add all the software costs and extra features you easily have bought yourself the macbook pro. The problem is that Macs don't really have any midranged systems, they are all high end, and you can't really buy a barebones Mac at all. So, if you are a very simple user and would never need any of the features and have no preference over mac or PC, then get a PC because it will in the end be more cost effective.

I have owned 3 Apple laptops and probably 6 or 7 PC laptops my entire life, and I also manage and repair just about every laptop you can think of, and in my personal experience the Macbook Pro is the best damned laptop I have ever owned.

Also, Macs can run windows, so if you really need to run windows for an application or two you can.
 
tlarkin said:
*sigh* I tried to resist posting on this thread, but there is just too much ignorance and misinformation I could not resist.

Are there any viruses for OS X?

NO, there are NO known viruses in the wild for OS X at all. Yes, hackers are trying to exploit it because they can get the bragging rights for the first wide spread virus. It has nothing to do with market share at this point because there are plenty of hackers who also hate apple and think they are arrogant, after all Apple is a large company just like Microsoft, Dell, IBM, so on and so forth. It has to do with Unix POSIX permissions that would not allow anything to run automatically with out authentication, why do you think Vista finally started creating an Admin and non admin accounts? It is because it is a security liability.

Are Macs over priced?

No, not at all. When you go to a Porsche dealer, you pay Porsche prices. They are sleek (1" thick) and have features no other laptop has like Ambient light senor, sudden motion sensor, FW800, ABGN wireless, blue tooth, gigabit ethernet, camera, 2gigs of ram standard (on the pro laptops), back lit keyboard, so on and so forth, and that is just the hardware. Out of the box they can also record and master digital audio, author DVDs, edit video, manage and maintain all your digital pictures. Out of the box the Mac offers way more features than any PC, and it is all streamlined and native. WMP still can't even play a DVD out of the box with out some codec you need to download. You get what you pay for period. Sure there could be a Ford car that has similar specs to a Porsche, but it will not have all those features a Porsche has. Can your 1200 dollar PC laptop which is similar spec'd to a 1999 dollar macbook pro do everything the macbook pro can out of the box? No, it can't and by the time you add all the software costs and extra features you easily have bought yourself the macbook pro. The problem is that Macs don't really have any midranged systems, they are all high end, and you can't really buy a barebones Mac at all. So, if you are a very simple user and would never need any of the features and have no preference over mac or PC, then get a PC because it will in the end be more cost effective.

I have owned 3 Apple laptops and probably 6 or 7 PC laptops my entire life, and I also manage and repair just about every laptop you can think of, and in my personal experience the Macbook Pro is the best damned laptop I have ever owned.

Also, Macs can run windows, so if you really need to run windows for an application or two you can.
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Thats what I'm saying. And plus linux is being made for the mac so you be able to bootcamp that soon,
 
tlarkin said:
Are Macs over priced?

No, not at all. When you go to a Porsche dealer, you pay Porsche prices. They are sleek (1" thick) and have features no other laptop has like Ambient light senor, sudden motion sensor, FW800, ABGN wireless, blue tooth, gigabit ethernet, camera, 2gigs of ram standard (on the pro laptops), back lit keyboard, so on and so forth, and that is just the hardware. Out of the box they can also record and master digital audio, author DVDs, edit video, manage and maintain all your digital pictures. Out of the box the Mac offers way more features than any PC, and it is all streamlined and native. WMP still can't even play a DVD out of the box with out some codec you need to download. You get what you pay for period. Sure there could be a Ford car that has similar specs to a Porsche, but it will not have all those features a Porsche has. Can your 1200 dollar PC laptop which is similar spec'd to a 1999 dollar macbook pro do everything the macbook pro can out of the box? No, it can't and by the time you add all the software costs and extra features you easily have bought yourself the macbook pro. The problem is that Macs don't really have any midranged systems, they are all high end, and you can't really buy a barebones Mac at all. So, if you are a very simple user and would never need any of the features and have no preference over mac or PC, then get a PC because it will in the end be more cost effective.
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For starters, I don't have anything against Mac, in fact wouldn't mind owning one later down the line.
I would just be careful on what you stated in the hardware specs. "...ABGN wireless, blue tooth, gigabit ethernet, camera, 2gigs of ram standard (on the pro laptops), back lit keyboard, so on and so forth"

Those specs are far from isolated to Mac, my T61 I just bought had all that, minus the back lit keyboard, but IBM has their own way of doing that.
Also, I don't have extensive time fiddeling with the software on the Mac, but I like picking and choosing my own software that suits my needs, not software that a company chooses for me, even if it is industry standard applications.
Also, there are boat loads of free ware apps out there that take the place of mainstreem software and do a very nice job at it.

As I said before, I don't have a problem with Mac, just watch the way some things are worded.

Bob
 
vroom_skies said:
For starters, I don't have anything against Mac, in fact wouldn't mind owning one later down the line.
I would just be careful on what you stated in the hardware specs. "...ABGN wireless, blue tooth, gigabit ethernet, camera, 2gigs of ram standard (on the pro laptops), back lit keyboard, so on and so forth"

Those specs are far from isolated to Mac, my T61 I just bought had all that, minus the back lit keyboard, but IBM has their own way of doing that.
Also, I don't have extensive time fiddeling with the software on the Mac, but I like picking and choosing my own software that suits my needs, not software that a company chooses for me, even if it is industry standard applications.
Also, there are boat loads of free ware apps out there that take the place of mainstreem software and do a very nice job at it.

As I said before, I don't have a problem with Mac, just watch the way some things are worded.

Bob
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Show me a free ware app that is as good as a closed source pay for app? You will never find one. Even as bloated as MS office is, it is still better than the free open source ones.

You have to pay for all your software to make it comparable to a mac out of the box, and no not every laptop comes with those features standard. You most likely have to add them, which is what I am saying.

Furthermore how is your laptop even comparable to a macbook pro?

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...-category-id=2432D88590C944B79D33FDA517A5C756

Unless there are other models of that laptop, post links please.
 
tlarkin, man you read into that to deeply lol.

If you recall, I don't have anything against Mac's.
The hardware you listed may come standard (and your right, I did read right over that word standard, my apologies) on Macs, but that doesn't mean it doesn't come standard on other laptops as well. Take my T61, sure somethings might have cost 5 dollars more to add, but thats nothing to cry home about.

In terms of software, I'm guessing you took "take the place of mainstream software..." to a literal meaning, and thats my fault for wording it like that.
The point I was trying to get across was that there are plenty of free ware apps out there that do a "good enough" job as their closed source brother.
I'm sure you know plenty more then I do, but two off the top of my head are:
- Open Office (for use in place of MS Office)
- Gimp (for use in place of PS)

I was just using my T61 for reference, I didn't state that it beat a mbp or even really compared to it, but for the price I got it at, it's one heck of a machine. Plus, it has the Think Pad legacy behind it, even if you don't like Lenovo.

Obviously I don't want to get into an argument here, just stating some other views/ options.

Bob
 
I agree with you that a standard Mac may be too much for your average user, however those features are standard, you are getting a Porsche over a Ford. Obviously, if you won't ever use those features then maybe it is not for you, unless you prefer OS X over Windows.

I just hate it when people say they are over priced, because if you add in all the built in out of the box features, you would most likely spend an additional $500 in software to even come close to what a Mac can do out of the box with a PC laptop. The Mac is like the swiss army knife of laptops in some respects as well, being able to do just about anything.
 
tlarkin said:
I agree with you that a standard Mac may be too much for your average user, however those features are standard, you are getting a Porsche over a Ford. Obviously, if you won't ever use those features then maybe it is not for you, unless you prefer OS X over Windows.

I just hate it when people say they are over priced, because if you add in all the built in out of the box features, you would most likely spend an additional $500 in software to even come close to what a Mac can do out of the box with a PC laptop. The Mac is like the swiss army knife of laptops in some respects as well, being able to do just about anything.
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Exactly, and the reason most people say they are over priced is because they simple don't look at the software side at all. Which is not surprising, since most of these people are coming for the PC front, when all you get is bloat ware or trials. Why would they expect Mac to be any different esp if they haven't used them before?

Also going along with that, most people I know don't even included the OS and app software in the price of a build. They'll just end up pirating it later down the line, or just using free ware.

It makes you wonder if windows actually had a good software bundle to begin with, would pirating lessen up?
However, then you have all the free ware apps already, but many people don't use them anyways. Is that because they don't know about them, or do they get the closed source apps just because they can?

Lastly, were talking about 2k here. Most people just aren't used to throwing down that kind of cash for a machine. So they might just be saying it's over priced for the sheer fact thats it's 2k.

Bob
 
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Yeah, like I mentioned earlier, Apple does not have a prosumer machine. If they had a smaller Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad version of the mac pro and you were able to put whatever HD, optical, video you wanted on it you may attract that market. I don't think that is what they are looking for either.

Having been in the IT field for almost 10 years now and going from managing 10,000 PCs to about 6,000 - 7,000 Macs I would say I have a pretty good chunk of experience on both sides.

Open source software is nice but it doesn't compare.

CS3 > Gimp

Office > open office

Garage band > audacity

Then again you get what you pay for, and I am not saying that the open source software sucks, I am just saying commercial software is generally better. Considering all the features that come standard in a Mac you would never need to upgrade. Like when people say oh, you can't upgrade a mac, don't buy one. WTF are they talking about? You don't need to add anything really to it since almost all those features come standard. Also, upgrading a PC is kind of moot by the time you upgrade you'll have to buy a new motherboard to support the new ram and new processor to begin with, so you are pretty much just always building a new machine.
 
Well, by all means software you pay for should be oodles better then free ware. And in most cases free ware is only there to replace the closed software for ordinary users. If you really need PS CS3 for your profession, then by all means you'll go out and get the right software for the job. Plus, there is no way I would run major free ware in a corporate environment.
However if you just need to do basic alterations then Gimp is more then sufficient.

O, I know you have lots of knowledge on all this, frankly more then I could prob ever wish to have lol.

As stated, Mac has no need for an "Open" machine. In all seriousness, it would prob be more of a hindrance then a benefit.

Bob
 
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