Thinking about an AMD Ryzen build

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Deadpool

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Daniel Dukai said:
Thanks. I'll check out the specs.
EDIT: Wow. That is impressive, but I am already reaching my limit after choosing a tower/case.
EDIT#2: http://digiworthy.com/2016/12/24/amd-vega-release-date-specs-price-rumors/#price
I will not even consider the RX Vega. It will be way too expensive for me. This build will be go to option:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mqyLYr

Should I put in a CPU cooler just in case?

Can somebody please help me pick a case?
- The graph card should fit without any problems
- Enough airflow
- Enough room
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Hold on now. You still going with Ryzen? Have you seen the gaming results? You´d get more FPS with an I5 6400. And for half the price http://www.pcgamer.com/the-amd-ryzen-7-review/5/

And that SSD is just a bad choice. Get a SATA 850 EVO for the same price http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compar...-vs-Crucial-MX300-SATA-M2-275GB/2977vsm159989
 
Daniel Dukai

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I don't want to get an i5. Yes, I have seen the gaming results. Nobody has a crystal ball, but I'd rather get Ryzen. The difference is negligible to me.

I am really worred that my 4-core CPU would not last me long enough. 8 cores may seem overkill now, but I'd rather have Ryzen 7 than an i5 or i7.
 
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Daniel Dukai said:
I don't want to get an i5. Yes, I have seen the gaming results. Nobody has a crystal ball, but I'd rather get Ryzen. The difference is negligible to me.

I am really worred that my 4-core CPU would not last me long enough. 8 cores may seem overkill now, but I'd rather have Ryzen 7 than an i5 or i7.
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We established a few posts above that games can use 8 cores. And still those results look bad for the 8 core AMD CPUs. We even checked Fallout 4. The 1700 has 30FPS less than the 7700K. Why do you insist on getting something expensive and less effective? Having 8 cores doesn´t mean anything if those are bad cores. Would you get an 8350? No because it has 8 crappy cores. The same goes for the 1700 when it comes to gaming. Some could say games are not optimized for SMT, but even with SMT disabled the $500 1800X performs worse than the $180 6400. Many reviews look the same way http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-6.html

I must sound like a broken record by now. I´m not going to mention this anymore, if you do want to go ahead with the Ryzen build, know that you are paying a lot that will not perform as you expect it. Not now, and probably not in the future.

If you do want to go for Ryzen, wait for the Ryzen 5 line. See some benches and determine if the architecture is worth it or not.
 
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beers said:
Please stop blowing crap out of proportion. I'm sure the OP would appreciate taking your sensationalism elsewhere.
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I sure as hell doubt it because I´m the only one trying to help him. In this case, the 8 cores from the 1800X are outperformed by the 4 cores of the 6600k. How would you call that?

Do you recommend him to get the 1800X, do you have a better advice or you are just trying to correct me?
 
Daniel Dukai

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Thanks for putting up with my stubborness, Deadpool. I'll listen to everybody, but I have seen videos about gameplay with the Ryzen processors. I don't care about numbers, I care about the results I see with my own eyes. Gameplay footage with smooth and stable FPS.
 
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Daniel Dukai said:
Thanks for putting up with my stubborness, Deadpool. I'll listen to everybody, but I have seen videos about gameplay with the Ryzen processors. I don't care about numbers, I care about the results I see with my own eyes. Gameplay footage with smooth and stable FPS.
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All right then. I would say you find reviews of the motherboards before buying, but given the situation I doubt you´ll find any http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-motherboards-explained-amd-am4-chipset-buy_192052

You should at least read a couple of articles. Main differences are that both allow OC, but only the X370 allows SLI/Crossfire setups.

In your case the Asus you picked actually allows Crossfire too. There is not much VRM information, but I found a discussion about this on a different forum. Read up http://www.overclock.net/t/1624051/vrm-on-the-new-am4-motherboards/30

Also, get a cooler, not many are compatible though, and change that SSD for the 850 EVO, or something better if you want to.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9JR9BP
 
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Daniel Dukai said:
Thanks, the case looks awesome.
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Yeah it´s just a parametric choice. If you click the thing that says "from parametric filter" you´ll have all cases matching the specs of that one. Some others look better.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#m=11,56,94,106,229&p=0&t=3,4&u=1&sort=a8&page=1

That´s with the filter applied.

In my opinion this is the best looking case with a price that low. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xzNypg/thermaltake-case-ca1d900m1wn00
 
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mistersprinkles said:
^What he said, but also, it has been shown now that Ryzen is out, that Intel beats it for most games. There are some super multithreaded games (ie, ashes of the singularity) that run great on AMD now but for the most part for TODAYS games, it is behind Intel. Whether that matters to you based on what you want now and what you think the future will bring is up to you. I just thought it bared mentioning that in most current games Intel is stilll ahead. Also there should be an Intel price cut coming soon. So they say.
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I know that Intel's CPUs are better - this year. But I want to build a machine that can last me quite a bit. I doubt I can afford it later.
 
Daniel Dukai

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Since I live in Hungary, I had to check some prices online. It turns out that any build that I make will substantially cost more in HUF than in USD. Made me sad and angry at the same time.
 
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Daniel Dukai said:
So how do you calculate the budget for your builds? Or do you pick parts first and check prices later?
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In Pcpartpicker there is an option that lets you add taxes to the values in the Preferences section. I always add 50% tax and that gives me an idea.
 
Daniel Dukai

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Considering the insane price differences in Hungary, I am afraid that an i5-6500 build will have to do if I want to fit into my budget.
I know I sound like a broken record but ... Is this an okay build to replace my current desktop rig?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TQk2Yr

As I may not be able to acquire certain parts, some sort of guide for brands would be welcome.
Thank you!
 
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Any inclination to throw an Ivy Bridge 3xxx series i5 into your existing build? Might save you from spending on a board/ddr4 and get some more life out of your system.
 
Daniel Dukai

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beers said:
Any inclination to throw an Ivy Bridge 3xxx series i5 into your existing build? Might save you from spending on a board/ddr4 and get some more life out of your system.
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I'd rather spend that money on a new build rather than tinkering with an already old build that I want to discard anyways.
 
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Daniel Dukai said:
Considering the insane price differences in Hungary, I am afraid that an i5-6500 build will have to do if I want to fit into my budget.
I know I sound like a broken record but ... Is this an okay build to replace my current desktop rig?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TQk2Yr

As I may not be able to acquire certain parts, some sort of guide for brands would be welcome.
Thank you!
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Add an HDD, and get better PSU. The Seasoninc S12II 620W is usually around that price.
 
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