AUTOBOOT2000
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Vista detects and uses all 4 gigs of my ram. 32 bit. I have no problem with it... But i did when I had 1 gig.
Why You 'Hate' Vista..?!?!
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OvenMaster
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I've never used Vista, so I can't hate it.
I don't trust it, however. I'm perfectly happy with XP. But Windows 7 will probably be even more incompatible with my present software than Vista has been. And I hate having to pay for software.
Tom
I don't trust it, however. I'm perfectly happy with XP. But Windows 7 will probably be even more incompatible with my present software than Vista has been. And I hate having to pay for software.
Tom
AUTOBOOT2000
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What software does not work with vista? I use all my xp software and it still works like 2 games I had to put in compatibility mode... I only had 1 game that didn't work right and that was just from the dual core not vista.
DCIScouts
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For my own personal usage, I don't mind it. My lappy has it, and it works pretty well, but then I don't use it all that much, either...
As for at work, I HATE it. We get customer complaints all the time because the new computer that they bought won't use the old printer. Or the drivers for this device won't work right, or that software said it supposed to work on Vista and it doesn't even install... Etc, etc... It could just be ignorant people too, but we get waaay to many complaints for it to be just that.
As for at work, I HATE it. We get customer complaints all the time because the new computer that they bought won't use the old printer. Or the drivers for this device won't work right, or that software said it supposed to work on Vista and it doesn't even install... Etc, etc... It could just be ignorant people too, but we get waaay to many complaints for it to be just that.
just a noob
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i like vista compared to xp, only thing i don't like about vista is those stupid warnings
meg
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Note: I found this topic a good one to respond to because I just reformatted from Vista back to XP last night -- if you are bored and at work, this might be a funny read! This is MY VISTA experience.
Why I hate Vista:
When I first built this PC, I had XP on it. But my uni gave me an Ultimate copy free of charge, so I figured I'd reformat and try Vista. I knew everyone hated Vista, even people that never saw it, or used it. So I thought I'd give it a fair shot. My computer components at the time (and have since been upgraded, slightly) were fine for it. 4gb of ram (which of course only 3 were recognized, but still plenty) and a C2D overclocked to about 2.8Ghz, and an Nvidia 8800 gt. A good hard drive, good motherboard, good xfi sound card, and so on.
For the most part... it was okay. The aesthetic upgrades were nice, and while the administrator options were ludicrous, which I eventually turned off, it was all tolerable.
Over the last 5 months or so, I kept running into a lot of cockblocking on Vista's behalf. Since upgrading to that OS, it automatically (at least I'm blaming Vista for this since it was never the case until having it) disabled my keyboard and mouse from loading at boot-up. Making it almost impossible to get into my BIOS, boot menu, and so on. Unless I wanted to sit there for an hour restarting and smashing the keyboard hoping for that one time it'd work. Even that didn't bother me much, because I didn't need to get into the BIOS, and the keyboard was initialized upon desktop load, anyway.
Then we have the updates problem. Since Jan 26th, 2008, Vista just failed updating, every single time! I tried multiple things - going into cmd as admin and writing some asinine line of code out that supposedly set the updates back in place. Nope. Call me OCD, but even if most of those updates weren't critical, I don't like having an outdated system.
Lets not even bother with the USB hardware compatibility issue... one day my externals and camera work, the next day, nothing. Sometimes unplugging it thousands of times would work, but mostly I don't have time to pamper a system like that.
My favorite was when I was so frantic to leave for work that I accidentally clicked "hibernate" instead of "shut down". I'd never used hibernate, didn't need to, so I just left for work anyway. I came back home, and there was no way to turn the computer on. I tried hitting the keyboard, clicking the mouse (which was on), manual restarting. It was on, just not... usable. I finally gave up after 30 minutes and popped out the little cell battery. Then it was fine. At that time it was a "known" glitch, but really.. lets think of the average user. They would have just paid someone ~$70 to diagnose that, nevermind fixing it.
SO.. as of yesterday I was compelled to find a way to remove Vista from my life. Putting an XP cd in the drive did nothing, it would just float past it and boot my computer. Why? BECAUSE VISTA WON'T RECOGNIZE MY KEYBOARD SO I CAN'T SET BOOT PREFERENCES TO CDROM! That and Vista loves to ruin my life so much that it tried all it could to keep me away from XP. So I just start hitting the restart button and mashing F-12, hoping that just once out of hundreds of attempts I'd get into the boot menu.
YES! I'm in! Wait a minute... my arrow keys don't work. Awesome! Restart again. Maybe I can just get into BIOS and fix this keyboard issue. Another forty minutes of me hitting restart and mashing DEL. I get into BIOS but the only part of it I can get into is my 1st-2nd-3rd boot devices. I was furious, so I set them all to CDROM determined to get XP recognized at start. Still, I couldn't change the preference in the Boot Menu, so I didn't know what was coming. Restart. No XP install prompt. Seriously, Vista? SERIOUSLY?!?
While restarting endlessly, I'm searching around my house for an external enclosure, thinking to myself: I'll yoink out this hard drive and just format it from my laptop. But the only one I could find was strictly IDE and that didn't help me at all.
More hoping that my keyboard will be initialized at boot. I really wish I knew how, but I finally managed to get into the USB/peripherals section WITH working arrow keys! WTF!? I set the keyboard and mouse to work, restart, fix the boot menu.... and I saw the most beautiful screen I've ever seen in my life, albeit blue - my friends, this was not one of death. But one of purity, sanity and beauty. "Windows XP is initializing setup. . . " GLORY!
So why don't I like Vista? Because I don't like feeling stupid. And aside from being a little prettier, that's all Vista did for me.
Why I hate Vista:
When I first built this PC, I had XP on it. But my uni gave me an Ultimate copy free of charge, so I figured I'd reformat and try Vista. I knew everyone hated Vista, even people that never saw it, or used it. So I thought I'd give it a fair shot. My computer components at the time (and have since been upgraded, slightly) were fine for it. 4gb of ram (which of course only 3 were recognized, but still plenty) and a C2D overclocked to about 2.8Ghz, and an Nvidia 8800 gt. A good hard drive, good motherboard, good xfi sound card, and so on.
For the most part... it was okay. The aesthetic upgrades were nice, and while the administrator options were ludicrous, which I eventually turned off, it was all tolerable.
Over the last 5 months or so, I kept running into a lot of cockblocking on Vista's behalf. Since upgrading to that OS, it automatically (at least I'm blaming Vista for this since it was never the case until having it) disabled my keyboard and mouse from loading at boot-up. Making it almost impossible to get into my BIOS, boot menu, and so on. Unless I wanted to sit there for an hour restarting and smashing the keyboard hoping for that one time it'd work. Even that didn't bother me much, because I didn't need to get into the BIOS, and the keyboard was initialized upon desktop load, anyway.
Then we have the updates problem. Since Jan 26th, 2008, Vista just failed updating, every single time! I tried multiple things - going into cmd as admin and writing some asinine line of code out that supposedly set the updates back in place. Nope. Call me OCD, but even if most of those updates weren't critical, I don't like having an outdated system.
Lets not even bother with the USB hardware compatibility issue... one day my externals and camera work, the next day, nothing. Sometimes unplugging it thousands of times would work, but mostly I don't have time to pamper a system like that.
My favorite was when I was so frantic to leave for work that I accidentally clicked "hibernate" instead of "shut down". I'd never used hibernate, didn't need to, so I just left for work anyway. I came back home, and there was no way to turn the computer on. I tried hitting the keyboard, clicking the mouse (which was on), manual restarting. It was on, just not... usable. I finally gave up after 30 minutes and popped out the little cell battery. Then it was fine. At that time it was a "known" glitch, but really.. lets think of the average user. They would have just paid someone ~$70 to diagnose that, nevermind fixing it.
SO.. as of yesterday I was compelled to find a way to remove Vista from my life. Putting an XP cd in the drive did nothing, it would just float past it and boot my computer. Why? BECAUSE VISTA WON'T RECOGNIZE MY KEYBOARD SO I CAN'T SET BOOT PREFERENCES TO CDROM! That and Vista loves to ruin my life so much that it tried all it could to keep me away from XP. So I just start hitting the restart button and mashing F-12, hoping that just once out of hundreds of attempts I'd get into the boot menu.
YES! I'm in! Wait a minute... my arrow keys don't work. Awesome! Restart again. Maybe I can just get into BIOS and fix this keyboard issue. Another forty minutes of me hitting restart and mashing DEL. I get into BIOS but the only part of it I can get into is my 1st-2nd-3rd boot devices. I was furious, so I set them all to CDROM determined to get XP recognized at start. Still, I couldn't change the preference in the Boot Menu, so I didn't know what was coming. Restart. No XP install prompt. Seriously, Vista? SERIOUSLY?!?
While restarting endlessly, I'm searching around my house for an external enclosure, thinking to myself: I'll yoink out this hard drive and just format it from my laptop. But the only one I could find was strictly IDE and that didn't help me at all.
More hoping that my keyboard will be initialized at boot. I really wish I knew how, but I finally managed to get into the USB/peripherals section WITH working arrow keys! WTF!? I set the keyboard and mouse to work, restart, fix the boot menu.... and I saw the most beautiful screen I've ever seen in my life, albeit blue - my friends, this was not one of death. But one of purity, sanity and beauty. "Windows XP is initializing setup. . . " GLORY!
So why don't I like Vista? Because I don't like feeling stupid. And aside from being a little prettier, that's all Vista did for me.
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tlarkin
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Vista out of the box I hate. I hate how it handles updates, how it handles security center, how it doesn't detect if you are running multi core CPUs, etc.
Vista after hours of tweaking.....semi tolerable. The sad thing is, my 4 year old PC running Unbuntu and my 4 year old G5 running OS X is just as fast as my brand spanking new quad-core with Vista Ultimate 64.
The only reason I upgraded as for DX10.1 and 64bit memory addressing. Is it really worth it? I honestly think it is hard to say, because even though Vista sucks, it still runs video games pretty damn well.
I do like some of the interface enhancements in Vista, and to me, the interface is a valid feature to like or dislike and to help make your decision. I don't like task bars and start menus though, so I have a doc set up. I use the doc to launch from folders or apps directly.
If I had to pay for Vista I would have been a bit more pissed, but since my MS rep gave me Ultimate or free as SWAG, I am a bit more biased to like it. Simply, because it was free.
Vista after hours of tweaking.....semi tolerable. The sad thing is, my 4 year old PC running Unbuntu and my 4 year old G5 running OS X is just as fast as my brand spanking new quad-core with Vista Ultimate 64.
The only reason I upgraded as for DX10.1 and 64bit memory addressing. Is it really worth it? I honestly think it is hard to say, because even though Vista sucks, it still runs video games pretty damn well.
I do like some of the interface enhancements in Vista, and to me, the interface is a valid feature to like or dislike and to help make your decision. I don't like task bars and start menus though, so I have a doc set up. I use the doc to launch from folders or apps directly.
If I had to pay for Vista I would have been a bit more pissed, but since my MS rep gave me Ultimate or free as SWAG, I am a bit more biased to like it. Simply, because it was free.
chibicitiberiu
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So I'm not the only one who had big trouble with vista.
When vista came out I was pretty let's say 'excited' and got a copy as quick as I could, and installed on my P4 3GHz with 512MB RAM pc (i still use that PC, but 1.5 GB of RAM).
First day i thought about it that was the coolest OS, but in few days I realized that the only cool stuff was the eye candy; I had to wait hours to copy a file from one partition to another, file that on xp would take 5 minutes.
It was verrrrrrrrrryyyyyyy slow, many bugs, I got for the first time in my life since win98 the BSOD, and every time like 10 mins after booting, and many other problems.
Two days after installing I decided to upgrade to xp. For some reason even though in the boot order CD-ROM was second in the list (after floppy), xp installer wouldn't boot.
I was very happy to have the Partition Magic boot floppies and use them to completely delete the C: partition where vista was installed (it had 50 GB, after vista was installed and some basic apps that I always use; only 5 GB free remained), and then recreated that partition.
Then the beautiful screen of XP setup came up and vista was gone.
The trouble didn't end here. The D: partition had some problems, and because I had (and still have) important data on it that uses too much space to put on CD/DVD-s I couldn't format it (last time I did was 2 years ago when i got the PC). One of the problems was that when I was trying to defrag it, the HDD would simply freeze. Don't know how, but in time the problem was gone.
ellanky
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I actually got vista a few weeks ago, I knew all about the fact that it takes up lots of resources and such, but I just love its interface, the Aero and all.
However after playing games; BF2, COD4, Bioshock, I took a bit perfomance hit, especially on Bioshock. And I really dont want to spend money on computer hardware right now.
Its a love hate thing, but Im just thinking of switching back to XP
..I'll miss Aero..
*voted dont mind it*
However after playing games; BF2, COD4, Bioshock, I took a bit perfomance hit, especially on Bioshock. And I really dont want to spend money on computer hardware right now.
Its a love hate thing, but Im just thinking of switching back to XP
..I'll miss Aero..
*voted dont mind it*
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tlarkin
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After some chatting today with some other IT professionals that came into my work to help us survey our wireless networking issues, we ended up having a small discussion about Vista. Enterprise networks aren't using Vista at all, for many reasons. The main being there is no benefit on the costs of upgrading, period.
Then we started discussing what is lined up for Windows 7. All the features you were promised but didn't get in Vista, revamped kernel, revamped source code, and streamlined OS, keeping most of the new Vista features and tweaking the ones that need tweaking.
It seems with Vista they took the 80/20 approach. Meaning they dumped 80% of their resources into just the underlying technologies that run under the hood in Vista and maybe 20% of them that the end user may see or interact with.
Which means Vista is the test market for Windows 7. Since Vista has been sold and shipped and now tested in the world market they can change what needs to be done and stream line what needs to be streamlined in a new OS, with out having to dump tons of money into R&D. MS basically is using paying customers to test out their new line of technology.
The only thing that draws me into Vista is the interface enhancements and DX 10. Is it totally worth the upgrade over XP? No, not really, you don't get any major end user benefits for running it. Windows 7, should be a different story all together.
Then we started discussing what is lined up for Windows 7. All the features you were promised but didn't get in Vista, revamped kernel, revamped source code, and streamlined OS, keeping most of the new Vista features and tweaking the ones that need tweaking.
It seems with Vista they took the 80/20 approach. Meaning they dumped 80% of their resources into just the underlying technologies that run under the hood in Vista and maybe 20% of them that the end user may see or interact with.
Which means Vista is the test market for Windows 7. Since Vista has been sold and shipped and now tested in the world market they can change what needs to be done and stream line what needs to be streamlined in a new OS, with out having to dump tons of money into R&D. MS basically is using paying customers to test out their new line of technology.
The only thing that draws me into Vista is the interface enhancements and DX 10. Is it totally worth the upgrade over XP? No, not really, you don't get any major end user benefits for running it. Windows 7, should be a different story all together.
Geoff
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Honestly, I think people still have the image of Vista when it was first released, and think that all of those problems are still going on today. Vista is a great OS, as long as you have adequate RAM. I must say though that it's nice to have more native hardware support and to not need drivers for most of the new devices we pick up today. Windows XP is old (almost 8 years), and while it's usually fine for businesses and the average home user, I personally have loved using Vista.
tlarkin
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Well, with 2 to 3 years of market research by Vista users Microsoft does not have to dump that much time and money into Windows 7. They know what is wrong and they know what to fix by simple consumer feedback and testing.
It sucks for those people who think Vista is the best thing since sliced bread because it really isn't, and MS is using all of the Vista users (including myself) as market research to basically make Vista what it should be, which is Windows 7.
That is how Windows 7 can come out nearly 2 years later after Vista. Because Vista was never a finished product, they just needed to get it out into circulation to finish it up, and that finished product will be Windows 7.
It sucks for those people who think Vista is the best thing since sliced bread because it really isn't, and MS is using all of the Vista users (including myself) as market research to basically make Vista what it should be, which is Windows 7.
That is how Windows 7 can come out nearly 2 years later after Vista. Because Vista was never a finished product, they just needed to get it out into circulation to finish it up, and that finished product will be Windows 7.
speedyink
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I don't think it's the best thing since sliced bread. It has some new features, it looks a hell of a lot better, and there are just things I like better than XP. A majority of the users that use it it came with their computer, so I fail to see the big deal with it being a 'test'. In use, it works just fine. Does it piss me off that I use it now that I know about windows 7? No, I didn't pay for it, it came on my computers, it was nice to use in place of XP while I wait for 7. That being said I do hope they offer it at a reduced price for people who own Vista
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tlarkin
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I'm just saying that it can be paralleled between ME and 2000. XP had the best of both worlds. It had the easy management and multimedia support of Windows 9x, but the NT kernel and security of NT under the hood, and the full on support of the NTFS file system. ME was a stepping stone, that wasn't fully tested, had some underlining technologies, and it sucked.
It disappeared rather fast. I think that Windows 7 will do the same thing, it will blow away Vista (I hope it does, Vista runs like crap compared to every other OS out there in current generation).
Of course this is all speculation but MS won't have to spend years and lots of money in R&D because a lot of it was done with Vista. So, it sucks that some people had to upgrade and pay for it (I didn't pay for Vista either, my MS rep gave me a free copy) but I guess they also help pave the way for Windows 7.
I really hope Windows 7 is a lot better than Vista. I don't hate Windows, but Vista is not the greatest OS I have ever used, nor do I think it is leaps and bounds better than XP Pro by any means. I think we will see the features that makes Windows 7 a better and more noticeable upgrade in Windows 7, and Vista was just kind of the first step.
It disappeared rather fast. I think that Windows 7 will do the same thing, it will blow away Vista (I hope it does, Vista runs like crap compared to every other OS out there in current generation).
Of course this is all speculation but MS won't have to spend years and lots of money in R&D because a lot of it was done with Vista. So, it sucks that some people had to upgrade and pay for it (I didn't pay for Vista either, my MS rep gave me a free copy) but I guess they also help pave the way for Windows 7.
I really hope Windows 7 is a lot better than Vista. I don't hate Windows, but Vista is not the greatest OS I have ever used, nor do I think it is leaps and bounds better than XP Pro by any means. I think we will see the features that makes Windows 7 a better and more noticeable upgrade in Windows 7, and Vista was just kind of the first step.
tlarkin
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Yeah, I also do like some of the interface features on Vista, and would not really want to give them up per se, but I also expect a MAJOR OS release to be at least more efficient than the last version.
Like I said, Windows 7 I hope will be the answer to my issues. Otherwise, I may have to look for some alternatives to Windows. I just can't accept my quadcore processor taking time to load apps, it is just lame.