ZOMG AMD is crap

Status
Not open for further replies.
_simon_ said:
Can't complain about my X2 4600+, everything opens quickly and runs smoothly can't really ask for much more than that...
Click to expand...

2nd that, have had it for years and OC'd to 3ghz with watercooling at one point.
Runs vista flawlessly.

Alot better than any P4's ive ever used...
 
StrangleHold said:
Concentrate real hard, same subject line one paragraph. What is it on this board, if you have more than 3 sentences in one paragraph people go brain dead! Memory and concentrating is a wonderful thing.
Click to expand...

If you organized your thoughts better, you may be able to get away without paragraphs. As it stands, no.

edit:

Oh, and it doesn't help that you ask questions without question marks, don't know the difference between their and there, etc. I shouldn't have to "concentrate" to try to decipher your slop.
 
Last edited:
I retired my 2700+ and FIC board two weeks ago and replaced it with an X2 4200+ and a Biostar mobo and I gotta admit that I'm totally pleased. Fast, cool-running, 100% stable, and cheap, cheap, cheap. Zero complaints.
 
Ive always used AMD no problems :3 just because one of their products isnt perfect yet doesnt mean the company or their line of cpus are garbage! >:[
 
hackapelite said:
P.S. I am no fanboy!
Click to expand...

Don't worry I believe you, but to some people you are going to be regardless. If you ever argue a point for a specific platform expect to be mislabeled, especially if you're dealing with people whose points are less than evident (no-one in particular! :rolleyes:)

To throw in my love, well awkward to do so because If I had the money I'd love to get a P35, wolfsdale/quad, 4 Gb of DDR2-whatever, a 8800gts.. but I had a old S939, DDR1 memory, etc, and several bills to help pay, so I felt it prudent to go the cheap route. I don't regret the decision, like most the rest of my fellows.
 
hackapelite said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenom_(processor)

(Not trying to be anal or anything, but bear with me, sometimes I really come out as one)

According to that wikipedia article, phenoms with 2 defective cores will be marketed as Athlon X2s ("Kuma") and 3 defective cores as semprons/single-core athlons ("Sparta"/"Lima"). Those triple-cores are codenamed "Toliman" (just showing off *cough*my*cough* knowledge here!). This makes sense, too, since even if the CPUs got three defetive cores, it can still be sold for sweet, tasty profit AMD really needs right now.

P.S. I do *not* hate AMD!
Click to expand...
Exactly thats the "Kuma" processors. The 5600/6000+ are Windsor 90nm cores.
SirKenin said:
I can be a bit more specific..

I think there's something the fanboys don't mention.. They like looking at fake, synthetic benchmark numbers and throwing those around, but there is something else I've noticed about them.. Disk access. Loading times.. Terrible. Horrible. Aggravating. Consistently bad. Every single one of them that I've seen have had this problem.

So yeah.. Performance of them is crappy (unless you overclock them maybe.. but should you really have to push it out of spec to have it perform like it should?) and data i/o is crap.

Yup. Hate them. Crap. Junk.

By the way, that guy's Phenom was three weeks old. That's why I told him to go get a refund.
Click to expand...


I'm by far not a fanboy, i can tell you they're not junk. I'm not speaking for the phenoms however..
 
I just made my first personal build a few weeks ago. Now I put a lot of research and what not into it, trying to keep cost as low as possible. So I decided to go with the 6400+ and I must say that is remarkably greater than my previous desktop (a P4). Everything is very fast, but the only problem I had for the first couple weeks was high temps. But now that the paste has set in and I'm not using the stock cooler, the temps have dropped to acceptable temps (32 idle/50-55 orthos full load). I can't say I have ever tried a C2D to compare but I see no problem with the AMD I got.
 
I personaly have no complaints about AMD....i think they make great processors but it seems this past year everything has gone downhill for them especialy with what happned with their quads which is why i went intel.

My old Sempron rig is still quite nippy for its age ;)
 
I've started wishing I had saved up more money and built a core 2 duo machine. I bought my current (sig) machine in August and put it together.

It beats a 1.0 Ghz Celeron though.
 
That's strange, i have had relatively good sucess with phenoms. One of my clients at a medical facility had one installed. I put medisoft on it and it has been working fine. There's about 15 workstations working off the server and it hasn't given us any problems thus far. The database though is garbage! I have never seen such crappy software in a "professional" application. It seems like every week a sector goes bad the entire database corrupts! I can't figure it out. I have used reliable hard drives from my experiences and the database will corrupt and runs at snail rate paces at times. It doesn't make any sense how such unreliable software can be sold.
 
Last edited:
Motoxrdude said:
That's strange, i have had relatively good sucess with phenoms. One of my clients at a medical facility had one installed. I put medisoft on it and it has been working fine. There's about 15 workstations working off the server and it hasn't given us any problems thus far. The database though is garbage! I have never seen such crappy software in a "professional" application. It seems like every week a sector goes bad the entire database corrupts! I can't figure it out. I have used reliable hard drives from my experiences and the database will corrupt and runs at snail rate paces at times. It doesn't make any sense how such unreliable software can be sold.
Click to expand...

its cuz AMD's rule.
 
I have a 3.2ghz 6400+ X2 from AMD and it runs fine. Wish I would have waited about a month though because a month after I bought it core 2 quads dropped a lot and I could have boughten one.

Wouldn't trade this AMD for any Intel dual core though.
 
Motoxrdude said:
That's strange, i have had relatively good sucess with phenoms. One of my clients at a medical facility had one installed. I put medisoft on it and it has been working fine. There's about 15 workstations working off the server and it hasn't given us any problems thus far. The database though is garbage! I have never seen such crappy software in a "professional" application. It seems like every week a sector goes bad the entire database corrupts! I can't figure it out. I have used reliable hard drives from my experiences and the database will corrupt and runs at snail rate paces at times. It doesn't make any sense how such unreliable software can be sold.
Click to expand...

First, I'll bet it's Access, and second I'll bet you're using an nVIDIA southbridge and THIRD I'll bet my dollars to your donuts you're not using ECC RAM. Not to mention the chances are good the cabling is not up to spec and you're not using a managed switch. And, of course, you're probably using WD Caviar drives which absolutely can NOT handle that environment.

The only drives you should have in there are Raptors or Maxline IIIs. Otherwise you built something that was inherently flawed in design right from the start and destined to fail.
 
SirKenin said:
First, I'll bet it's Access, and second I'll bet you're using an nVIDIA southbridge and THIRD I'll bet my dollars to your donuts you're not using ECC RAM. Not to mention the chances are good the cabling is not up to spec and you're not using a managed switch. And, of course, you're probably using WD Caviar drives which absolutely can NOT handle that environment.

The only drives you should have in there are Raptors or Maxline IIIs. Otherwise you built something that was inherently flawed in design right from the start and destined to fail.
Click to expand...

No way in hell i would use WDs. Those things have given my so many headaches it is rediculous. I am using 4 raptors in raid 3 atm. The ram is ECC and i am not using a nvidia chipset. I can't remember what it is off the top of my head but i know it is not nvidia. And yes, it is on a managed switch. You would actually thing i would use a router? Way too much overhead...
 
An unmanaged, smart and managed switches are three totally different animals. What model of switch is it exactly?

Second, you don't use RAID 3 for databases, you use RAID 5. RAID 3 is good for performance, but some error checking is compromised.

Chipset could be a 7 series AMD chipset.

Also, you didn't answer if it's Access or SQL. I'm betting it's Access. It should be ported to SQL, because the overhead with that many users on Access would beat the living crap out of your backbone. That's too many concurrent users for Access. Even Simply Accounting has ported over to SQL this year.

So, there are several flaws in your design if I'm right.. But it's good you're using the Raptors (which are WDs... So you have me a bit confused there) and ECC.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top