Bulldozer

wolfeking

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johnny, we can find concrete Intel #s all over the net. We don't need to worry about a fanboy providing them (this doesn't just include bigfella. There are a lot of Fanboys out there for intel)
 

CrazyMike

New Member
the cons of bulldozer, here's the pros, it beat the 2500k on i think 2 or 3 benchmarks and like 3 games, just about it, it sucks atm, there are a few patches in the working for the windows scheduler so it utalizes the cores properly and a bios update too, but it won't make up the gap completely from what they've been saying. really the 8150 loses to the 1100t in most cases, that's what's so sad.

Maybe i should be more specific.

Does the FX8150 compare with the 2600K in OC clock range? (as far as i know, they match in GHz. Both OC air cooled at around 5GHz no?)
For multi-tasking, does the FX8150 out perform the 2600k?
Benchmarks: I know the FX8150 has been lacking, but by how much? significant difference?
The Windows scheduler is the only problem? So if a person doesn't use that, should be no problem? (i never do).

I just take a look at the price difference, if the FX8150 is close to performing as good as the 2600K, I am willing to lose a little bit. But if there is a substantial difference in performance and overclocking, then go for the 2600K.

Thanks for your help :)
 

BurningSkyline

New Member
Maybe i should be more specific.

Does the FX8150 compare with the 2600K in OC clock range? (as far as i know, they match in GHz. Both OC air cooled at around 5GHz no?)
For multi-tasking, does the FX8150 out perform the 2600k?
Benchmarks: I know the FX8150 has been lacking, but by how much? significant difference?
The Windows scheduler is the only problem? So if a person doesn't use that, should be no problem? (i never do).

I just take a look at the price difference, if the FX8150 is close to performing as good as the 2600K, I am willing to lose a little bit. But if there is a substantial difference in performance and overclocking, then go for the 2600K.

Thanks for your help :)

In Most circumstances the 2600k wins, But I remember seeing the 8150 come ahead of the 2600k in a few benches. But in most reviews the 8150 is slower than the 2500k. The windows scheduler isn't the only problem as far as I know, I heard the L1/L2 caches were slow as well.
 

jonnyp11

New Member
overall, you'd be better off with a 2500k than a 8150 or 8120, and the 2600k is better than the 2500k, so you think about that, at this point it's just sad how bad it is for something being made for 4 years, but it does show some hope for the 8170 coming q1 of 2012, since it will be running on the b3 stepping not b2 so they can address these problems.
 

BurningSkyline

New Member
did you see the same benches i saw where the 2500k only lost maybe 5 out of the 20 benches and all?

The number of benches isn't what is super important, its what it wins in. If you're going to be working in highly threaded software the 8120 is probably the way to go. At the moment, the 8150 is VERY overpriced for what you get, so there really isn't any point to buying it. If you are just going to game on your PC, Go for the 2500k.
 

linkin

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Cancelled my order... Gunna wait it out this time. Plus I need a better GPU instead, and 560Ti SLI is looking attractive.
 

2048Megabytes

Active Member
Cancelled my order... Gonna wait it out this time. Plus I need a better graphic processing unit instead, and 560Ti SLI is looking attractive.

Smart move. If you really wanted to buy another processor a six-core Thuban would be a better choice. But I think you are better off just waiting as I think you have already come to the conclusion. AMD will work the bugs out of this new technology. It may take them a year or so to do it though.

Edit: I wonder if AMD will add a "B" label to Zambezi like they did with the Phenom I series years go when they fixed it?
 
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linkin

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The TLB bug heh.

You know the fix is still active in Phenom II CPU's even though they no longer have the bug. Disabling it brings a little performance increase, I'm sure it's good if you're benchmarking. It lowered my time in wprime by 0.1 seconds.
 

linkin

VIP Member
Yeah. I might have to switch to Intel :eek:

I just bought an Asus HD 6950 2GB DirectCU II so I'm good for a while :D
 

spynoodle

Active Member
that's what i said a while ago, someone got a 8150 so i said get them and bigfella together and we compare the benches for ourselves so we have a concrete set of numbers, only problem is i can see bigfella cheating/lying to keep intel's precious title of best.

No, just.... no. Yeah, he likes Intel, but he has his reasoning at this point. He wouldn't cheat.

Anyways, I think that we should all wait out any purchases until more news comes out on the patch. I still think that BD might have a chance.
 

paulcheung

Active Member
Now as i have been following along, i have been trying to grasp the opinions about the bulldozer. Hard as one topic goes off trail, then the next. Can anyone give me the short version of the cons of the FX8150? I understand that it is not a "true" eight core, as in the traditional sense of having 8 physical cores (this part doesn't bother me). As well as i am confused with the "windows 7 issue" > what is this? lol.

Maybe taking many steps back, but i'm just having a hard time following along lol.

Thanks :)

If I understand what I have read so far, the FX8150 actually has 8 cores in 4 modules, the problem is that 2 cores are built in one module that shared a pipeline and FPU, also the caches, I think that made a bottle neck.

It seems AMD work backward, Intel try to tell the OS it has two core instead one core using hyperthread, and AMD tell the OS one core instead two core by share the pipeline.
Please correct me if I am wrong. I wonder if I have the chance to make back my money on AMD shares in the next ten years???:mad:
Cheers.
 

Perkomate

Active Member
i was more kidding about bigfella but i also wouldn't put it past him the way he talks half the time.

maybe, just MAYBE he like Intel because they have better performance? But no, liking a company is being a fanboy apparently.
 
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