lucasbytegenius
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As stated - I don't play games. If I did, it would be PC all the way.
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Dr. V
It was a joke lol
As stated - I don't play games. If I did, it would be PC all the way.
Really, I don't need adverts...
Dr. V
When I say mac is slightly different than PC (hardware-wise), is because it really is. Example, macs don’t have a BIOS, not even a BIOS chip (Or CMOS). They have different power management system than PCs. In mac the PMU controls almost everything, where as in PC, its power management systems usually just control the big power consumers, like HDD, optics, handle battery charge, etc. (PMU is kinda like CMOS for mac, as strange as it may sound...)
That’s just a few of the subsytems/differences I can think of between mac and PC. I don’t imagine there are a whole lot more. If all you do is install windows/OS X on it, you’d never know there’s any actual difference from mac or PC. And unless you plan on programming an OS for it or something, it doesn’t really matter a whole lot what’s going on under the hood — just as long as it’s understood there actually is a physical hardware difference. Not that it’s important...
just as long as it’s understood there actually is a physical hardware difference. Not that it’s important...
Hardware-wise, yes PC's and Mac's are nearly identical, but OS X manages the hardware in a completely different, and more efficient way. There is a reason why a 5-year old Macbook Pro laptop is going to be noticeably faster then a similarly spec'd 5-year old Windows laptop.You can buy motherboards with EFI for a PC. The point is as you rightly pointed out, all the difference is to the consumer between a MAC and a PC is the OS, thus, why pay so much more for the same performance? You don't unless you're a fool.
It was a joke lol
It's faintly possible the reason we don't see them here in England, is because it's considered 'unprofessional' and 'unbusinesslike' to run down another product while plugging your own.
You cannot compare them, they're not the same. Also most TCO analysis doesn't factor in the learning curve most people would need to do to become as proficient in using a mac. This, is a major major cost to a business. A lot of staff would need training or suffer large downtime. Not costed in most TCOs
bigfella said:Plus, I game, and sorry, but Macs completely fail at this.
Also please show me empirical data where Mac OS handles hardware more efficiently. Most information i have seen shows Windows 7 trouncing Mac OS.
Mac Pro's run server grade components, and cant be compared to desktop counterparts, unless you plan on grabbing a socket 1366 board and putting a xeon processor...sure compare that to a server. You get what you pay for, you will end up spending *about* the same on a desktop with a server processor, board and ram as you would a PC, also take into effect that software is often provided by Apple for basic things, and is not in the side of the PC market, you get the OS, and then nothing, you will have to hunt for stuff to do what you want to.
What it comes down to, you are paying for design and components that are being selectively picked that will work together, for the most part, effectively, whereas with the PC market, you are on your own, you may get stuck in a corner with a compatibility issue.
(i dont endorse Mac, i build pcs, but eh, thats what their doing.)
If you plan on gaming on the Mac, be prepared to be disappointed.
This has probably been said already...however, your friend is incorrect when saying Macs don't get viruses. While the OS on a Mac IS indeed more secure, it will still get viruses. One of the reasons Macs do not get viruses as often as PCs is because the hackers writing the viruses are not targeting the Macs as often as they do the PCs...simply due to the fact that there are way more PCs than Macs.
I'm not saying Macs are bad. They are built better than PCs, the hardware is all tested, for each computer. There is a reason Apple charges more for their computers.
Thirdly, if you are so convinced, why start this thread?
I have a console for gaming. Where games belong.
I planned to work with my PC. I'm already disappointed. Over and over... As far as being prepared goes, well, you kind of become resigned to it.
Oh, I'm aware now - and I expect it to get worse as the number of Macs increases... but surely it has to be an improvement over the PC situation?
Thank you. Is that the reason they charge more? I've lost money due to downtime with the PC. If individual testing and gauranteed compatibility is what you get for your money, then it hardly sounds like a bad deal! Actually - I expect that with any tool I buy for my workshop.
Also, I've heard it ships with software, which you don't get with the PC and isn't the OS inclusive in the price with the Mac? Whereas, you still have to purchase Windows on top of that $700 spend. Yes, I suppose i-life sounds a bit pedestrian but then what I have downloaded for the PC is mostly unstable rubbish and has to be promptly uninstalled (or patched in order to work) anyway. Can't see how it could get much worse.
I haven't decided yet. I'm still considering Windows 7. I don't hold out too much hope for it, considering all the broken promises of XP... but we'll see. That would certainly save money in the short term - and I'm open minded. So the jury's still out...
Dr. V
I have a console for gaming. Where games belong.
I planned to work with my PC. I'm already disappointed. Over and over... As far as being prepared goes, well, you kind of become resigned to it.
Oh, I'm aware now - and I expect it to get worse as the number of Macs increases... but surely it has to be an improvement over the PC situation?
Thank you. Is that the reason they charge more? I've lost money due to downtime with the PC. If individual testing and gauranteed compatibility is what you get for your money, then it hardly sounds like a bad deal! Actually - I expect that with any tool I buy for my workshop.
Also, I've heard it ships with software, which you don't get with the PC and isn't the OS inclusive in the price with the Mac? Whereas, you still have to purchase Windows on top of that $700 spend. Yes, I suppose i-life sounds a bit pedestrian but then what I have downloaded for the PC is mostly unstable rubbish and has to be promptly uninstalled (or patched in order to work) anyway. Can't see how it could get much worse.
I haven't decided yet. I'm still considering Windows 7. I don't hold out too much hope for it, considering all the broken promises of XP... but we'll see. That would certainly save money in the short term - and I'm open minded. So the jury's still out...
Dr. V
While the OS on a Mac IS indeed more secure, it will still get viruses. One of the reasons Macs do not get viruses as often as PCs is because the hackers writing the viruses are not targeting the Macs as often as they do the PCs...simply due to the fact that there are way more PCs than Macs.
If you plan on gaming on the Mac, be prepared to be disappointed.
Also be ready to shell out $1000 for a Mac with same/similar specs for a $500-700 PC.
I'm not saying Macs are bad. They are built better than PCs, the hardware is all tested, for each computer. There is a reason Apple charges more for their computers.
I apologize, however, I could not help but dog you a little here, because there are contradictions, and opinions that you're attempting to pass as facts. First, stating "While the OS on a Mac IS indeed more secure" is an opinion. The only time quoting something is safer is with cars, when we crash them, and experts give each car ratings based on their crash test. But we're not crashing computers into walls at 60MPH, and there is no efficient method of proving that a Mac is safer than a PC. Also you answered your own question, that I already posted earlier, by the way, of why PC's get more viruses than Mac's. And obviously, because PC's make up ~90% of the market share.
Second, if Mac's are "built better than PC's", please elaborate on why Mac's can't "play games". I have a feeling that statement is crap, because Macs are built just as any computer is built. On an assembly line. Does Mac test each and everyone of their computers for functionality? I don't know, and I don't think you do, either. IF Mac is able to test each and everyone of their computers, as you say, it wont last long, if they wish to make money. Because as Mac grows, there will be a point where testing each and every Mac will be time consuming, and money wasting, because labor would be through the roof, and well, it just wouldn't work. Mac would be behind in getting their Mac's out in an orderly fashion, and fast enough for peeps to buy them. Why do you think they have 30 day manufacturer warranties, and then limited 1 year warranties for PC's? Think about it. It's not that simple. I think Mac is at all "popular" because of those false advertisements you posted.